Comments on: Can You Oversize a Mini-Split Heat Pump? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Wed, 06 Sep 2023 10:32:11 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Robert Adams https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-30339 Tue, 26 Jul 2022 16:12:11 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-30339 In reply to Ron smith.

Lots of variables. To do it right and get pretty close find someone that can do a Manual N on the building. That’s the commercial one. It takes into account commercial style building methods operating the system only at times you choose higher heat loads from work inside and ventilation from dust collectors fume hoods etc. That said if you have it done by a local company they will have insight on IF the sizing it comes up actually works in your area and what their experience has been.

But without being there… Some things to keep in mind. If it’s an insulated wood structure it will be far easier to cool than an insulated metal building. The conventional metal building construction puts in massive amounts of thermal bridging because the insulation is pinched between the skin and the steel framing. Spray foam is better only if it also covers all that interior steel in the same thickness as the skin.
I am in Texas which has the worst overall weather in the country. Not a place you want to live if you enjoy being outdoors.. Now my 20x40x12 insulated steel building has 2.5 tons of AC. It’s a conventional 3″ vertical pipe welded to the slab plates and then a 2×2 welded frame. That is covered by standard metal building fiberglass with the white plastic on the inside. It will stay comfortable as long as you start the ac up early and the temps don’t get over 100* for very long.
However in the heat of the summer you don’t have a chance. It doesn’t cool down at night and for me to use my shop in the summer when it’s 106* daily with the low at night of 80* and it’s still in the 90s after midnight… I would need somewhere around 6-8 tons of AC or more.
Remember this is an intermittent use building with high external and high internal heat loads along with a huge amount of thermal mass in the building that has to be cooled. Houses only need tiny units to cool because they have little thermal mass and you are keeping it at a steady temperature. Shop and commercial buildings need far far larger units.

If your building was here and was a metal building it would easily need 10+ tons.

For unit types it depends on your needs and budget. Minisplits are nice but they are expensive(and efficient) and they have issues in shops because they have no real filtration on them to catch workshop dust. Basically a window unit filter. You can use conventional residential units as they are the cheapest and can be set up with good filters.
There is also the case for package units which I like because they are entirely outside can be filtered and ducted well and they come in one box ready to run. No copper to run etc which is a cost and a liability. They are not as efficient but they are convenient easy to work on and replace. They are the quietest units as well because they are all outside.

Just some info to get you started. Location type of construction type of use etc play a huge role as well as are you going to keep it at temp all the time or intermittently. Two identical buildings side by side could vary in their AC needs by 50% just due to their intended usages.

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By: Curt Kinder https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-30328 Tue, 26 Jul 2022 14:31:30 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-30328 There’s nowhere near enough info so far to size an HVAC system, but one big open room of that size might be efficiently and economically conditioned with a ductless mini head at each end, possibly also augmented by 2 or more ceiling fans.

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By: Ron smith https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-30273 Mon, 25 Jul 2022 10:15:41 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-30273 I’m wanting to put a hvac system in my well insulated shop. It’s 38’wide, 60’ deep and the ceiling is 16’ high with no windows. There is also two 14’x14’ insulated doors. Would a mini spilt would in this or should I purchase a conventional system? What size?

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By: Cindi Anderson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-28220 Sat, 04 Jun 2022 16:32:11 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-28220 In reply to David Butler.

The problem I had with the Mitsu 6k’s is that they don’t modulate very low, and with my super insulated house would still short cycle. A Mitsu sales manager told me they were coming out with a 4k but I haven’t seen it yet. Thus I ended up going with Daikin VRV Life where each unit output can drop very low if needed.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-28200 Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:47:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-28200 In reply to TONI FOLEY.

@Toni, Mitsubishi makes a high-seer 6k ductless mini-split (MSZ-FS06NA & MUZ-FS06NA), also marketed by Trane and American Standard. The smallest ducted mini’s are 9k. You’ll need to get a room-by-room load calc to know what sizes would work best.

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By: TONI FOLEY https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-28031 Tue, 31 May 2022 23:40:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-28031 In reply to Allison Bailes.

I live in south Texas and want to go minisplit. My house is small at slightly over 1600 square feet. I want separate zones for the beds and the largest is like 14×15 and the smallest 10x 12. I have an open floor plan in the rest of the house except for a door for the laundry room and of course for the garage which will end up being finished off as a family room. I figure I am going to have to use to systems. I think 6k would be plenty for the bedrooms and the laundry rooms. I am having trouble finding that size with a system. Any ideas how to do this without oversized it. Besides the fact that these systems I like the fact that the parts are cheaper to replace. I had a big system 17 sear and it lasted one year after its warranty expired(11years). Any suggestions?

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By: Charles https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-27546 Sat, 21 May 2022 14:59:52 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-27546 In reply to James Howison.

I’ve done small ducted minisplits with a regular filter. Just have to design for appropriate static pressure. Not 1/4 ton though! 1 ton

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By: James Howison https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-25199 Thu, 07 Apr 2022 14:27:19 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-25199 This is about heat/cooling output and not physical size.  Although in general the bigger units have larger output.
To know, you need to run a heat loss calculation. Use coolcalc.com.  Then compare that against the specs of the unit.  You should also ask the contractor for the Manual J that they ran when they selected the equipment.
More here:
https://www.greenbuildingadvisor.com/article/who-can-perform-my-load-calculations
Although I guess I’d ask myself what the action would be if you find out that the unit is oversized.  The contractor will just argue that it will “turn down” (ie a unit with a capacity of say, 24,000 can run as low as maybe 6,000. so if the load calc came in at 9,000 they’ll say well, you’ll have capacity in the bank for big events, and on the design days it’ll run just fine.  What they won’t discuss is all the days that are below maximum load where the unit will run at 6,000 and turn on and off, eliminating the advantages of variable refrigerant).

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By: Kelly L https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-25188 Thu, 07 Apr 2022 00:07:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-25188 How do I tell if the contractor oversized our mini split? It’s a Single head in the bedroom that is 12×20 with a cathedral ceiling. We were away when it was installed and the head in the bedroom is huge! We have one in the living area that is much smaller and does it’s job. We are in the northwest lower peninsula of Michigan. We also use a wood stove.
I don’t have the unit’s specs on me right now.

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By: Ed T https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-oversize-a-mini-split-heat-pump/#comment-16203 Wed, 04 Aug 2021 01:56:44 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5800#comment-16203 I have a Mitsubishi
MUZ-HM24NA – outside
MSZ-HM24NA – inside
Units that I got at an auction I’m in San Antonio Texas and want to install in my 2 car garage
Is the 24k way over kill I don’t really care about heating only the Cooling part.

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