Comments on: What’s the Correct Air Flow for an Air Conditioner? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Mon, 20 May 2024 14:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Phil Goetz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40597 Mon, 20 May 2024 14:48:00 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40597 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Thank you! I suspect that what’s happening is that the bottleneck in the case of highly-pleated 4″ filters isn’t pushing air thru the large filter surface, but pushing air into the wedge-shaped “waiting area”, if you know what I mean. So when the static pressure drop across your 4″ filter appears to be .06 iwc, that isn’t actually the drop across the filter; that’s the drop when squeezing into the high-pressure volume upstream of the filter (but “in” the filter if it’s considered as a 20″ x 20″ x 4″ box).

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40593 Mon, 20 May 2024 10:19:34 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40593 In reply to Phil Goetz.

Phil: For more filter area to correlate to lower pressure drop is the logical assumption. At least in one study, though, that’s not always the case. I wrote about this and other research on air flow and pressure drop in a 2019 article:

Do High-MERV Filters Always Reduce Air Flow?
https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-high-merv-filters-always-reduce-air-flow

About study #2, I wrote:

“The final result I’ll mention here is that they didn’t see as much difference as they expected for filters of different depths. For example, ‘the 4-inch Filtrete 1550 (MERV 12) was only marginally better than the 1-inch Filtrete 1700 (also MERV 12) and the two other [1-inch] MERV 11 filters of the same brand (1000 and 1085).'”

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By: Phil Goetz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40587 Mon, 20 May 2024 00:55:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40587 I’m commenting here on your blog at https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/path-low-pressure-drop-across-high-merv-filter , because comments on that blog are closed.

It seems to me that when you relate filter area and air velocity to pressure drop, that’s meaningless unless you measure the actual filter area, not the cross-sectional area of the filter. I would expect the pressure drop across a 4″ thick 20″x20″ filter to be roughly one-fourth that across a 1″ thick 20×20 filter. But then again, maybe not, because the air going thru that 4″ thick filter is at the same pressure, and maybe crossing the filter at the same air velocity? Do we measure velocity along the vector perpendicular to the filter surface, or in the direction the air is moving? What direction IS the air moving when it goes thru a heavily pleated filter?

I’d really like to know the answers, because if a 4″ thick give the same pressure drop as a 1″ thick with the same cross-sectional area, then I can save a lot of money on filters. My expectation is that the 4″ thick will have somewhere between 1/1 and 1/4 as much pressure drop. But that range is so high that any talk about numbers without knowing that is pointless.

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By: Dale https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40475 Mon, 13 May 2024 15:29:21 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40475 Thanks for the article.
“Good HVAC design is 99% invisible.” I like that line. Best for mental health if its not apparent to the occupant that a building is being heated or cooled.
I’ve always said that comfort is the absence of discomfort.
Imagine how much easier life would be for the compressor and the evaporator if it were water cooled and not air cooled?! By introducing capacitance into the system air flow rates and refrigerant flow rates etc. can be decoupled. 😉

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By: Andrew Light https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40386 Thu, 09 May 2024 12:26:34 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40386 Good point, indoor relative humidity also depends upon the temperature of the room. If you like a cooler room temperature, the lower the temperature leaving the cool needs to be. Most cooling load outputs will give you the space sensible heat ratio, you use that to establish a target leaving coil temperature with a psychrometric chart. Also the old rule of thumb 400/cfm per ton was based on a lot more sensible heat load on a space, modern appliances such as LED light fixtures, energy efficient refrigerators, induction cooktops, LED tv’s, etc. have reduced the sensible loads, not to mention more efficient building envelopes.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40383 Thu, 09 May 2024 11:38:25 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40383 In reply to Thomas Verleun.

Thomas: Sorry, I should have mentioned that. It’s a snippet from a photo of the ASHRAE duct calculator. Here’s the page for it in the ASHRAE online store:

https://store.accuristech.com/ashrae/standards/duct-size-calculator-i-p-si?product_id=1935218

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By: Thomas Verleun https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40356 Wed, 08 May 2024 21:22:52 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40356 where did you get a velocity to cfm slide ruler as shown inyour artical ?

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40350 Wed, 08 May 2024 20:13:28 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40350 In reply to RoyC.

Roy: We’ve done a little commissioning in the Atlanta area but haven’t done much. There are people in a lot of the metro areas in North America who can do it, and we may start doing more some day. We’ve certainly talked about it.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/whats-the-correct-air-flow-for-an-air-conditioner/#comment-40349 Wed, 08 May 2024 19:48:18 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9011#comment-40349 Allison: You are a third-party system designer and advocate for that service. Do you also do commissioning? If I were having another house built, I would like to have some verify things such as duct tightness, envelope tightness, proper airflows and duct static pressure, etc. after it is built.

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