Comments on: What a Carbon Dioxide Monitor Tells You https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 16 May 2023 20:18:05 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-33495 Tue, 16 May 2023 20:18:05 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-33495 After having tested several other monitors in the $100 to $250 price range, I settled on the Aranet 4. I learned a lot about calibration…

First, all the monitors I tested featured auto-calibrate. Some, including the Ararnet 4, can also be manually calibrated. I recommend avoiding monitors that cannot be manually calibrated unless the monitor is regularly exposed outside air. Then the question is how regularly? Good luck with that! If the monitor will be used primarily in one location, auto-calibrate should be avoided as it will periodically adjust its baseline to the lowest reading over some typically undefined time period. Some companies actually warn not to use the auto-calibrate feature, presumably because they’ve received so many complaints.

Second, atmospheric pressure has a proportional impact on NDIR sensor readings. This requires some explanation… The impact pressure is significant if you use a CO2 monitor at higher elevations (or in an airplane where cabin pressure is typically set to about 8000 ft). Temperature also affects readings but much less so than pressure. Here’s a primer about that.

Based on my testing, the Aranet 4 is the only CO2 monitor in the $100 to $250 price range that auto-compensates for temperature and pressure. I live at 4,400′ MSL so this was easy for me to test. One product has a user-defined altitude setting that helps, but it baffles me that none of the other monitors I tested implement the compensations described in the above link, even though most have both temperature and pressure sensors!

If a monitor can be manually calibrated, that will adjust the baseline to the current elevation, but this just applies an offset. However, the pressure relationship is not linear… the error at higher CO2 levels can be substantial. I posted about this in the Aranet forum, and confirmed the results of my test of the Aranet 4.

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By: Robert YOUNGBERG https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-33151 Fri, 31 Mar 2023 08:32:48 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-33151 I was impressed with readings of less than 1,000 in a packed auditorium at my granddaughters school. Hopefully their classrooms have similar ventilation. Maybe I should put the Aranet4 in their school backpacks for a couple days? πŸ˜‰ Probably not, the girls are very curious and I am sure the school teacher would notice... Thanks for a great article.]]> I also have been carrying my Aranet4 everywhere I go and have been getting similar readings at home, in restaurants, in theatres, Dr offices, and over 5,000 ppm CO2 in a SUV with 6 people and the heater/AC set to recirculation. Even by myself in the car the readings will jump to over 2,000 in a couple minutes when the fan is not on. Not surprising given that human breath is 35,000 to 50,000 parts per million (ppm) of CO2. The SUV readings dropped to about 1,100 in a couple minutes with the recirculation off and the fan on, at least in the front seats, not sure about the third row of seats in the back.
We have a 10-day road trip coming up, the fan will be on ALL the time, and maybe a window opened once in a while. πŸ˜€
I was impressed with readings of less than 1,000 in a packed auditorium at my granddaughters school. Hopefully their classrooms have similar ventilation.
Maybe I should put the Aranet4 in their school backpacks for a couple days? πŸ˜‰ Probably not, the girls are very curious and I am sure the school teacher would notice…
Thanks for a great article.

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By: KA https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32938 Sat, 04 Mar 2023 19:12:01 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32938 Does anyone know anything about the new (I guess) Overture system? https://www.broan-nutone.com/en-us/overture

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32771 Wed, 15 Feb 2023 16:33:28 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32771 In reply to John Mattson.

John, I am sure you’ll never look back, and it wasn’t just CO2 that went down!

Going for the 15A Rheem HPWH is somewhat similar to choosing a right-sized heat pump for your home without the resistance emergency heat strips. The difference is, when you replace a WH, you replace the whole system (well, still got hot water delivery issues that Allison talked about in previous posts). When you replace a heating/cooling unit for your home, you’re only replacing the heat exchanger part of the system. The rest of this system, as John noticed, is the building envelope, just like the insulation surrounding the tank on a water heater.

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By: Alex Kessler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32767 Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:04:44 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32767 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

Absolutely. That’s my preference as well.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32765 Wed, 15 Feb 2023 02:52:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32765 In reply to Dennis Heidner.

My preference is to assume it might be harmful, even at levels not immediately perceivable, and to avoid/mitigate the conditions that lead to them. Research from the last decade makes it quite clear:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-019-0323-1.epdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3548274/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30172928/

https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1510037#r39

https://www.mdpi.com/2076-3298/8/11/125

https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2012/10/17/elevated-indoor-carbon-dioxide-impairs-decision-making-performance/

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By: Dennis Heidner https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32764 Wed, 15 Feb 2023 00:54:32 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32764 In reply to Alex Kessler.

The impact of CO2 on individuals when the levels climb above 1000ppm has insufficient data to prove immediate harm. For individuals the ability to perceive an impact to their ability to think or perform is often confused by the suggestion that the IAQ is impacting them.

It’s not a hard red line that if you cross over it – you can feel or detect harm. In fact most people can’t detect it themselves – observers and researchers testing may be able to measure, then analyze the data and report the results days or weeks afterwards.

The reason that the impact is seldom noticeable – or even an impact at all, is because our bodies over the 1000’s of years has adapted to regulate the CO2 balance that impacts our bodies blood chemistry. We are actually very good at responding to slow changes that return back to a normal healthy level. And that response depends a lot on the individual their current health (age, gender, prior existing health conditions, e.g. a person with COPD may respond quite adversely to higher CO2, just as a person with congestive heart failure).

More importantly at this time is the education of the public that we want to manage the indoor CO2 levels to remain below 1000ppm if possible – in that the individuals at risk – are not harmed.

Keeping it below 1000ppm also means that we’ve a better means to address the body odors — which was in part — some of the original research done by Pettenkofer back in the 1850 -1860’s (German public health).

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By: Alex Kessler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32763 Tue, 14 Feb 2023 23:17:14 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32763 Really informative article as usual. It was helpful to read ASHRAE’s position on indoor carbon dioxide. That aside, do you personally feel that CO2 levels above 1000 ppm affect you negatively?

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By: Jim Matthews https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32760 Sun, 12 Feb 2023 02:13:47 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32760 “Another place where the carbon dioxide level goes and stays above 1,000 ppm is on commercial flights. You’re packed into a long metal tube with a bunch of other people, breathing recirculated air with little fresh air added to it. ”

Interesting. According to the WHO:
“Most modern aircraft have recirculation systems, which recycle up to 50% of cabin air. Ventilation provides a total change of air 20–30 times per hour.”

https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/air-travel-advice

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By: Robert Bean https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-a-carbon-dioxide-monitor-tells-you/#comment-32759 Sat, 11 Feb 2023 21:45:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8072#comment-32759 In reply to RoyC.

Bravo!

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