Comments on: What to Know About a High Radon Test Result https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Sat, 29 Jul 2023 05:47:16 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Riley https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-34132 Sat, 29 Jul 2023 05:47:16 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-34132 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

Radom levels are usually higher inside during cold winter weather. This could possibly be due to less fresh air from frequent door or windows being open during milder months. I need to look back at my 1.5 years of AirThings radon monitoring and see what time periods were highest.

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By: Riley https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-34131 Sat, 29 Jul 2023 05:43:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-34131 In reply to Norman Bunn.

I bought the Airthings as well to monitor pm2.5 and radon. Now have over a year’s worth of data. Was well worth the money spent.

I have an Air Pura air purifier that runs on low 24 hours a day, except when Pm2.5 starts rising (usually its under 2 on low). Highest was 21 during Canada smoke. Airthings alerted me and purifier went to high and dropped it down to 5-7.

Had a couple days where radon was over 4 for a an hour or two. Average over nearly 1.5 years is under 2.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33396 Thu, 04 May 2023 14:09:02 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33396 In reply to Jerome Lisuzzo.

Jerome: I think airtight homes can be more susceptible to radon because even a moderate breeze or a small fan can induce significant negative pressure. Yes, that sound like Marc Rosenbaum. He’s presented at the Phius conference on house pressure imbalances because of ERVs and once showed some radon data that he thought were influenced by that.

Glad you still subscribe to our newsletter and read the blog. Thanks for the kind words!

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By: Jerome Lisuzzo https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33395 Thu, 04 May 2023 13:53:00 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33395 This subject has long interested me. So while some of my experience may not be relevant to most homeowners, I’ll add it here with the hopes that it furthers the general discussion and body of knowledge, as least with regard to mitigation and tight homes. About 9 years ago, we constructed a 2,000 sqft home that was certified by Phius. Our home is exceptionally airtight, testing out at .34 ACH/hr. The home is a simple rectangle, with a 1,000 sqft basement, bringing the total sqft to 3,000, if included. The basement slab has the typical PH underlying insulation and vapor barrier. Shortly after moving in, I discovered that we had elevated levels of radon (9-12 pCi/l), as measured by 2 electronic testers (I used Safety Siren Pro Series 3 in the past and now use an Ecosense RD200) and confirmed by several mail-in test kits. After reading and participating in discussions on the Green Building Advisor website (of which I was then member) it became clear to me that radon is almost impossible to stop, even in the most airtight structures. Since we didn’t include a radon mitigation system when we built the house (I mistakenly didn’t think it was necessary in a passive house), my initial attempt at a solution was to hook up a radon exhaust fan to the outlet of the foundation drain system; which worked as I hoped. I was subsequently contacted by an engineer who was involved in the PH community in the northeast (I’m in SE Pennsylvania). I believe his name is Mark Rosenbaum. He suggested that I test my HRV ventilation system to ensure that the house was not negatively pressurized (i.e., bringing in less air than was being exhausted); his theory being that a slightly positive pressurization might eliminate the radon issue. I discovered that he was correct. I adjusted the intake/outtake flow accordingly, and the radon problem disappeared. Over the last nine years, I have constantly monitored the radon level in my basement with electronic testers. Early on, I retested Mark’s theory three times by adjusting the HRV to change the pressurization negatively. In every instance, the radon level rose significantly, and re-corrected to a level of +/-1pCi/L after I corrected the airflow (i.e., within several days). I don’t know how much this issue has been discussed in the PH community or with regard to non-PH homes that are tight enough to require an ERV/HRV since 2014; possibly today it is common knowledge (in which case I apologize for this lengthy post). But just in case it isn’t, and with hopes that my experience may somehow help some others (even those who don’t live in a Passive House), I offer it up here. By the way, although I’ve long since stopped subscribing to Green Energy Advisor, and have lost contact with the PH community (life changes, and I’ve just moved on to other interests) I have continued to follow Energy Vanguard, and appreciate all that Allison has done over the years to educate people like me with his engaging and interesting posts. Thanks much, Allison. I wish you well both with your personal health struggles and professionally. And I look forward to following your posts for many years to come.

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By: John https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33303 Sun, 23 Apr 2023 14:56:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33303 In reply to Ken.

100% accurate. When I bought my house in MA I spent hours trying to find real homeowner data for radon deaths and only found inferences from miners exposed to very high levels.

I’ve never seen data of non-smoker homeowners dying from radon in their house.

Scaremonger contractors push expensive remediation based off industrial mining data.

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By: Katherine https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33262 Wed, 19 Apr 2023 00:37:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33262 I’m glad that you’re looking into this topic, Our house tested high for radon over a decade ago. We hired a reputable company to remediate. They lowered the level, but it still hovered around 4 (higher in the winter). The company told us that it would be impossible to lower it further, even though they had contractually guaranteed that levels would be less than 2. I did a bunch of research and felt uncomfortable with the levels so high. I had small children, and didn’t want to take a chance with their health. We hired another company to fix the original system, and they managed to get the levels down below 2.

But the real reason I’m commenting is due to something that I found when researching. One article said that radon levels were often highest on the second floor of a house, which was contrary to what I’d previously believed. I thought that people tested in the basement because the highest levels were there, and that levels decreased as you moved higher. After reading that, I got more tests, and sure enough, it was true for our house. I ended up buying several Airfhings radon detectors and placing them throughout the house. Usually, the basement level had the highest level, but the second floor was a close second. The first floor always had the lowest level. Any thoughts on why that might be the case?

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By: Brian Cornwell https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33257 Mon, 17 Apr 2023 21:26:43 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33257 We’re up in the rocky mountain area just past Boulder, and there’s often concern of Radon in our area. They used to mine uranium in these areas or so I’ve heard from geologists. To be on the safe side we added a radon mitigation system, passive + a fan just in case we ever wanted it. It’s all below the slab in gravel using 4″ PVC with perforated holes. While the whole radon health aspect is believed by some and not by others, why not spend some extra bucks as a preventative measure? Happy we did. Especially with homes becoming tigher and tighter.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33251 Fri, 14 Apr 2023 18:44:01 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33251 In reply to Ken.

I have to side with Ken on this topic. I was a graduate student in the early 1980’s and took a course on IAQ. As part of that course, I had to do an independent literature survey and report on an IAQ topic. I chose radon because it was a relatively new concern at that time. What I found out was that there was good solid data on cancer incidences for uranium miners that were exposed to much higher levels of radon that cited in this blog. The researchers then did a linear extrapolation of the cancer rates that would be expected to occur at the lower rates shown in the table above, even though they had no data in that range. I wish I had the actual data handy for this mining study to show how much extrapolation was done.

A few years later, 60 Minutes did an episode discussing this issue and how it resulted in a radon testing and mitigation industry that many feel experts believe is unnecessary.

I have read other articles by scientists who point out that almost every substance is dangerous at high exposures, but that at low exposures there is typically no effect at all. In fact, low doses of some substances actually make you strong because your body builds immunity. I am not claiming that radon falls in this category, but I haven’t seen any data indicating that it doesn’t either.

I had a house in New York in a high radon area and when I put it up for sale a prospective buyer wanted it tested for radon first. I told him to just assume that it was high and take the cost of a radon mitigation system into account when you make your offer.

I just don’t trust EPA on this issue, but that is just my opinion.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33250 Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:07:56 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33250 In reply to Cody.

Cody, in a mixture of gases, each gas has its own pressure property. In a passive setup, that pipe is an open pressure relief valve.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-to-know-about-a-high-radon-test-result/#comment-33249 Fri, 14 Apr 2023 16:00:55 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8218#comment-33249 Allison, why do pretty much all radon mitigation systems include vents going up? Radon, at 9.9kg/m3 is about 8 times heavier than air. For a 2-story house, that’s a lot of lifting. Yes, EPA says to keep it away from kids on the ground, and because of “the potential for re-entrainment of the gas into the house”. Would it be easier to re-entrain into the house from a ground level discharge or from a roof-top (often actually just above the eave)? Any studies?

Do you think your testing during a fairly idle time for your home’s air handler(s) is sufficient? Should you repeat your testing during the upcoming cooling season?

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