Comments on: The Confusing World of Dehumidifier Capacity https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Fri, 19 Nov 2021 23:45:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Stanley Okumura https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/#comment-17747 Fri, 19 Nov 2021 23:45:09 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5744#comment-17747 In reply to Ed Moore.

Why is it that portable dehumidifiers are not built with an external window tube venting system to cool the compressor coils, similar to a portable A/C with window vents? As it is, the dehumidifier will heat the room causing discomfort and/or unnecessarily loading the Central A/C system.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/#comment-14862 Wed, 26 May 2021 04:37:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5744#comment-14862 In reply to Terry Sopher Sr.

@Terry wrote: “…wouldn’t it be useful for the DOE to do at least 1 other rating of whole-house dehumidifiers for situations where the dehumidification is focused on dehumidifying incoming ventilation air…?”

Dehumidifier capacity is largely a function of inlet dew point. If you duct outside air directly to the inlet as you suggest, the DoE test procedure as it currently exists would no longer apply, as you’ve gone well outside the assumptions baked into the procedure (and not just the incoming air metrics). It’s relatively rare to see a whole-house dehumidifier set up this way, but the next time the DoE updates its DH test procedure, maybe this will be a thing…?

In any case, I come back to my original point: official rated capacity should not be used for sizing. Moreover, as I’m sure Allison will cover in his forthcoming article on sizing, DH capacity is only part of the puzzle — designers must also calculate moisture loads. This gets rather involved when the equipment is configured to directly condition outside air. This is the norm for commercial mechanical design.

BTW, I would argue that designing to maintain RH below 50% in a humid climate, especially if t’stat is set below around 75F, imposes unnecessary expense, both in terms of first-cost & lifetime energy costs. The comfort range is generally accepted to be from 40% to 60% RH. To wit, most folks are equally comfortable at 55% as they are at 50%, and don’t tend to lower the t’stat to compensate until RH exceeds ~60%.

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By: Terry Sopher Sr https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/#comment-14841 Tue, 25 May 2021 19:47:48 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5744#comment-14841 Good point David Butler. & I agree it’s very difficult to find residential HVAC contractors with staff expertise on ventilation, IAQ, or filtration, let alone building science concepts. Another variant of my question: wouldn’t it be useful for the DOE to do at least 1 other rating of whole-house dehumidifiers for situations where the dehumidification is focused on dehumidifying incoming ventilation air rather than a focus solely on dehumidification of the ‘main living space air’ as now done? For instance, in my residential situation [BEFORE I decided I had to educate myself on building science & ventilation]: (1) using DOE ratings, the HVAC contractor decided we only needed 80 pint capacity to dehumidify ventilation air; (2) that was seriously inadequate for the 6 month humid season; (3) I ended up installing a 120 pint capacity dehumidifier which does a much better job, enabling me to ventilate more often while keeping indoor humidity under 50%. Even so, as climate change has increased the outdoor humidity levels & season, I still have days I have to shut down ventilation totally to avoid high indoor humidity.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/#comment-14837 Tue, 25 May 2021 18:37:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5744#comment-14837 In reply to Terry Sopher Sr.

@Terry, no test procedure can ever be sufficient for sizing compression based systems due to the wide performance variation depending on operating conditions. As with AC and heat pump ratings, dehumidifier ratings are intended as a basis for making product comparisons, not for sizing equipment for a specific project!

Mechanical designers should always refer to manufacturer performance data when sizing equipment. The fact that so many contractors don’t know any better (or don’t care) is indicative of how dysfunctional the residential HVAC industry is!

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By: Terry Sopher Sr https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/#comment-14836 Tue, 25 May 2021 18:06:19 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5744#comment-14836 As usual, another great educational blog, & as usual, very grateful for sharing your expertise. Re:
DOE using higher air temperature for rating whole-house dehumidifiers because: “Whole-house dehumidifiers dehumidify the AIR FROM THE MAIN LIVING SPACE, which is generally warmer.” I have a question: should DOE be considering different standards for differing dehumidification situations or climate, etc? Building science now rightly recommends ventilation of ‘energy-efficient’ tight buildings to achieve high quality indoor air . In many areas that ventilation air may often have extended periods of temperatures far above 60 degrees & very high moisture content requiring direct ducting into the dehumidifier to prevent raising indoor humidity above 50%. Climate change is exacerbating that situation for many areas & for more extended periods of time. So is the single DOE testing standard that useful any more? What say you?

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By: Ed Moore https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-confusing-world-of-dehumidifier-capacity/#comment-14829 Tue, 25 May 2021 16:28:50 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=5744#comment-14829 Get article, Allison. I have discussed this several times in my air conditioning class when we discus the psychrometric chart and in the weatherization class. At a recent webinar, I questioned a salesman about sizing and got a very vague answer. I am definitely interested reading your next article.

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