Comments on: How to Make a High-MERV DIY Portable Air Cleaner https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:31:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Cassidy Kuchenbecker https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-29870 Thu, 14 Jul 2022 16:31:44 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-29870 In reply to Danny Gough.

Danny, interesting thought. My first thought was that the filter fibers become electrostatically charged from the air flow. Any thoughts or references to read on how much adding the negative ions adds over the expected charge of the fibers from the airflow?

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By: David https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-16660 Thu, 02 Sep 2021 07:47:00 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-16660 In reply to Jean.

You’d have to explain why too big of a fan would be ineffective. I’ve built dozens of systems for filtering smell. The more times your air turns over the faster it clears the air. Though I will admit getting it all on the first pass isn’t a significant issue in this case since the rooms air will be filtered a dozen times an hour in some cases.

In this application, you certainly aren’t sucking droplets of spit through the filter and with a appropriate filter even bacteria and germs will not go through the filter. The size of the holes in the filter material don’t change just because you run the air faster through it. If a mask stops the virus in any meaningful way, this will do the same.

One final thing, these fans are not great. You can buy an inline duct fan for $20-60 on amazon that are much stronger and quiter. I am personally building one using 4 20×30 filters and a $100 carbon filter/duct fan combo. These are made to run 24/7 long term. The carbon filter, when inside the ac filters should last for years since the air will already be clean when it hits it.

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By: June https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-16486 Tue, 24 Aug 2021 14:35:05 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-16486 Great how-to, Allison. Thank you.

1. I was wondering about the question Jim Baerg posed about the efficacy of the fan in a horizontal position. Thoughts?

2. Intrigued by your recommendation about Paul Bronks’ Twitter posts (@SlenderSherbet), I checked out his page and found, alas, that his account had been cancelled. Nuts.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-16468 Mon, 23 Aug 2021 11:12:51 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-16468 In reply to Kathleen.

Kathleen, yes, this DIY portable air cleaner is great for smoke and many people are using them for that, too. High-MERV filters remove lots of particulates from the air. It doesn’t matter whether they’re virus-carrying aerosols or tiny bits of ash from fires.

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By: Kathleen https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-16464 Sun, 22 Aug 2021 22:37:35 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-16464 This fan seems very focused on cleaning the air of germ and virus droplets. How would it perform in a smokey situation? With all the fires all around the west, people would appreciate a way to keep their air moderately smoke free.

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By: Kevin https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-16079 Thu, 29 Jul 2021 01:23:53 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-16079 If you direct the fan down shouldn’t you point the arrows to the outside of the box?

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-13584 Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:41:16 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-13584 In reply to Jim Baerg.

Jim, you can’t simply put an Alnor flow hood on the fan to measure its air flow rate. As with the Heisenberg Principle for subatomic particles, the measurement interferes with what you’re trying to measure. You need a different setup. See this Twitter thread from John Semmelhack to find out what they did. With no filters, they measured 1,025 cfm on low speed with a Lasko fan. They 575 cfm on low speed for the Comparetto Cube.

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By: Jim Baerg https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-13585 Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:11:23 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-13585 I’ve been chatting with the Lasko rep. She is claiming that lying the fan horizontally dramatically changes the output of the fan. In my case, reducing the air flow from 2000 cfm to less than 300 cfm. I’m very skeptical. Does anyone have any ideas?

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By: Jim Baerg https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-13583 Thu, 18 Feb 2021 18:06:33 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-13583 I’ve built 3 of these to be used by our local Health Dept at their vaccination events for +75 year olds. The room that is being used has hydronic heat and ineffective natural ventilation. I was shooting for a turn-over rate of 4 to 6 ACH based on the advertised CFM of the box fans (typically 1800 CFM). As a double check I took one of the boxes out to a HVAC contractor to test using an ALNOR Balometer air flow hood. The results were 280 CFM with the fans installed and 300 CFM in free air. I contacted Lasko and based on that, ordered the Air Flex FF305 which has a 1″ MERV8 filter attached which they say produced 2000/1600 CFM. They said the motor could handle some pressure drop from filters. Back at the shop, it tested worse than the first fan. By the way, the static pressure of the fan box with the fan running on high was .04ICW. The HVAC tech double checked the ALNOR on a room register. Any ideas on whether our readings are off, or whether the manufacturer’s claims are bogus?

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By: Robert Boerstler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-make-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner/#comment-13582 Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:52:45 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-make-a-high-merv-diy-portable-air-cleaner#comment-13582 In my world, in semiconductor research, air exchange is a primary variable. Nowhere, so far, this important variable is not a prime variable in designing and fabricating DIY air exchange design . Nowhere in the DIY for box fan filters air exchange is identified as variable. We use particle detectors and velometers to monitor the air in the laboratory. Hope this is a start of discussion. DIY projects might find a way to measure filtrate and air exchange.

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