Comments on: Do You Really Need to Run the Bath Fan in Summer? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:24:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Ken Wallin https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-44817 Thu, 10 Oct 2024 02:59:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-44817 I really like learning new things, and this is one of them as well. But theres also learning things, and putting them into real world practice. As the one post said “This is a lot to think about before my morning shower.”

And I agree, I dont check a thing in the morning before my shower. My phones off, I get out of bed and shower. And for all these years of home ownership, have always ran the fan.

As well, try explaining this to your family and have them track the weather to use the fan or not? Or guests as well. Lets be honest, it wont ever happen.

I am huge into humidity mitigation in my house. I have remote gauges all over the house I keep my eye on alot. I mean a bathroom fan may cause a negative pressure and bring in the outside air, which may be as humid. But its all over the house, not just one room.

In winter here when it gets cold, we are supposed to have 15% humidity at -35 Celcius. Can it be accomplished, very hard to do. Ive been close, 20%, and it was so unbearably dry in the house, it just wasnt feasible. Plus with the low of a humdity you run other health risks. So you save you house, and risk your personal well being. Theres science, and then theres “real life”

While this all makes sense, lets face it, its not a fucntional way to live.

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By: DebbieD https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-44067 Sat, 24 Aug 2024 06:08:30 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-44067 I not only use the bathroom fan for showers and when I dry my hair afterwards, I also sometimes use a dehumidifier in the bathroom (with the door nearly closed) for about 20 minutes after my shower. If I don’t use the bathroom fan, moisture immediately condenses on the mirror and on the shower-stall walls, except in really hot weather. Since I added a dehumidifier to my bathroom routine, there’s no longer any black mold growing on the caulk, as it had been previously. Note: when I last used a portable (hose out window) air conditioner in the bedroom next to my bathroom in very hot weather, I found that moisture condensed onto the glass and metal doorknobs in the bedroom (and probably on other things as well). So next time I use that, I will add the dehumidifier as well in the hall next to that room, to reduce the humidity. Note that I have excellent wiring, with separate 20-amp circuits for the A/C unit and the dehumidifier. I’m in Seattle, WA so we don’t have weather extremes as great as in other parts of the country, but we finally reached 100 degrees in 1994, and 108 in year 2021. I use my A/C as little as possible since I figure that ANY type of power use contributes to climate warming, including the hot air produced by the A/C unit.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43683 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 20:44:59 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43683 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

I enjoy the psychrometric analysis for bathroom ventilation, but in the end I just use simple observations based on trial and error. In the winter when I know the heating system is running a significant amount of the time, I don’t use the bath fan because the additional humidity is generally useful. In the summer when I know the cooling system is running a significant amount of the time, I also don’t use the bath fan because I know the cooling system will remove the additional humidity. During mild weather conditions when there is not much heating or cooling operation, I do use the bath fan. If water is condensing on any surfaces during any season, I use the bath fan. This is the part that I learn through trial and error. I do keep a cheap temperature/humidity sensor in the bathroom to be sure that the relative humidity is not getting too high.

I could develop an expensive control system to do all of this, but no one would buy it 😉

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43680 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 20:35:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43680 In reply to Charlie Conger.

I used to work for Carrier and learned a little about their history. Willis Carrier’s first AC system just sprayed chilled water into the air stream which would then cool and dehumidify the air. I am guessing that it also helped clean the air. This was used in textile factories where humidity control was important.

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By: Terje Gronas https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43668 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 19:33:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43668 ]]> In reply to Charlie Conger.

Sounds nice but if you live in Texas there is no cold water in summertime 😂

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By: Robert Adams https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43611 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 16:13:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43611 In reply to Mark Johnson.

I am west of Fort Worth which is quite a bit hotter than Dallas. If you are familiar with the area 360 is the dividing line and there is a reason they say that Fort Worth is where the west begins. Sadly the official chamber of commerce weather station is by 35C at DFW airport (Technically Fort Worths airport if you know it’s history) which is always cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter than where people actually live.
I’m also by the lake and have allot of oak trees which helps make our microclimate different than others. Also the rain generally goes around this area so everything is dry crunchy and bare dirt so the temps go up more here as well.
I would like to see Allison do some research on the impact of yard type in regards to heat. A property with a nice green yard is cooler than one with a zero scaped yard. I see aero scaping doing nothing but causing the heat island effect to increase exponentially. That cooler air around the house also lessens the load on the condenser…

FYI I go by my weather station and others around me to make sure it’s in the ball park.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43605 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 15:39:23 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43605 Fun stuff, as usual. I am wondering, though, if we are to propagate the right ventilation behavior to the average non-psychrometric citizens, we need something simpler. Wet bulb, dry bulb, are you kidding me!? It’s like Data (in Star Trek) talking about love: “experience certain sensory input patterns.”

When we vent a bathroom after a shower, we’re not interested in temperature, for the most part. We’re interested in moisture and all this dew point stuff is cool, but non-intuitive. Give me a gadget that will display humidity ratio (pounds of moisture per pound of dry air) for outdoors and indoors. Then I will ventilate, or not.

Then it’s also not obvious where this gadget should be located. In the bathroom? In the hallway outside the bathroom? In the walk-in closet if connected to the bathroom? I get uncomfortable with non-deterministic paths for infiltration, and so it’s always fan on, window open for me.

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By: Charlie Conger https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43549 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 02:32:54 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43549 Robert it was no so hot here in Houston today-102 @74F DP.
We do run the fan during a shower and about 15 minutes after.

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By: Mark Johnson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43548 Wed, 21 Aug 2024 02:30:51 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43548 May I ask Mr. Adams what part of Texas? There is quite a difference depending where you are. As I write this dewpoint is 72 in Dallas, 76 in Houston, 81 in Galveston and 56 in Austin(!).

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-summer/#comment-43524 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 22:18:09 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9159#comment-43524 In reply to Charlie Conger.

Charlie: The more water you send down the drain, the less there is to evaporate into the air.

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