Comments on: Ductless Mini-Splits Can Get Nasty Inside https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:27:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Sri Venkat https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44816 Wed, 09 Oct 2024 19:39:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44816 Thanks for shining light on this one of the dark spots of ductless minisplits. At least some of the savings are offset by the typical $120/head cleaning expense every year or so, that every homeowner interested in the ductless systems needs to consider.

Another issue is “formicary corrosion” causing many evaporator coils to leak. Wondering what percentage of the ductless heads with poor filtering are developing corrosion. Fujitsu acknowledges the issue of corrosion and also claims to have improved their coils with “ProCore” copper from 2019 resulting in better resistance to corrosion. Intriguingly Fujitsu and many other minisplit manufacturers tout “all-aluminum” coils in their multi-position air handlers but somehow don’t offer “all-aluminum” coils in their ductless systems; would be grateful if anyone can explain possible reasons for sticking to copper in this case.

Also, Fujitsu mentions the below FROM: https://www.fujitsugeneral.com/shared/us/pdf-fcus-residential-technologys-procore-catalog-01.pdf

“Coil Cleaning

In extreme environments, it is recommended that a contractor or installer follows industry preventative maintenance procedures and clean the coils of the indoor unit on an annual or bi-annual basis using a spray cleaner. Fujitsu recommends specially formulated alkaline detergent with the strength to dissolve grease, oil, dirt, tar, lint, nicotine, etc. without attacking aluminum fins. When mixed properly and when used in conjunction with a chemical neutralizer, this combination will ensure your system is properly cleaned. Mini-Split Neutralizer is used to neutralize the alkalinity of mini-split cleaner after cleaning and to prevent possible damage to aluminum fins from improper rinsing.”

Wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what would be examples of off-the-shelf coil cleaners that might fit the above description. Some also mention not to use municipal water with high flouride content to clean the aluminum fins.

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By: Joshua Durston https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44690 Mon, 23 Sep 2024 16:58:23 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44690 IMHO these are not fully developed products IMHO. I have a Mitsubishi FH09 and it gets gross after a year or two. And when switching to heat it smells like dirty socks for a bit until the moisture dries up (I hold moisture for a long time in the coil fins with the fan off). Mine was about as bad a the one in the video.
The cheap construction of the “barely a suggestion of a filter”/coil/fan after the coil might have made sense in markets where these things are sold for a couple hundred bucks. But here in North America we’re paying thousands sometimes 5 figures. The outdoor unit and compressor seems decent, but the wall mount heads are cheaply made. When people ask me how I like mine, I say they tech is great but don’t get a wall mount, the floor or ducted models are much better constructed for long term use.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44638 Tue, 17 Sep 2024 15:09:49 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44638 Blower wheels are pretty good particle filters, much like a cyclone particle collector. We did some past tests on filter efficiencies in air handlers and decided to check our inlet and outlet air particle counters with no filter installed (just the blower running). It turns out that the blower was about 70% efficient in removing 3-10 micron particles. If you look at the concave side of the blower blades after it has been in operation for a while, you can see where the dirt has been collecting.

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By: Jacob https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44635 Mon, 16 Sep 2024 19:55:54 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44635 In reply to Jacob.

Correction – After everything dried, the blower wheel was still pretty dirty. The pressure washer is probably necessary to fully clean it…

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By: Jacob https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44629 Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:50:43 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44629 I just finished cleaning out my 3 year old unit and the water in the bucket was pretty dirty!
The shroud/ funnel worked well and really contained the mess. I used a decent pump sprayer with the highest pressure tip and that seemed to do the trick, although I’m sure more pressure would have helped.

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By: Bridget Miller https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44603 Wed, 11 Sep 2024 13:43:52 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44603 In reply to Forest Kenneth Duncan.

Personally, I think just adding in some additional free-standing filtration elsewhere should lower the overall dust “burden” that might find its way into the mini-split. Strategically place in areas where particulates might be generated or near the mini-split.

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By: Forest Kenneth Duncan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44597 Wed, 11 Sep 2024 00:39:19 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44597 I have seen photos of some projects that add additional filtration to a mini-split unit. The projects involved building filter housing boxes that are attached to the upper part of the indoor unit, with provisions for installing two or more conventional 1″ air filters to “pre-filter” the air entering the mini-split unit. A search for “mini split filter box” or “mini split dust filter” should return some web pages or videos on this subject.

I have tentative plans to do this with my workshop unit, but I haven’t yet taken the time to figure out the details. It seems obvious that such a pre-filter system would need to provide sufficient filter surface area, so as not to restrict air flow too much. If a single 1″ pleated filter is too restrictive, then the design could provide room for 2, 3 or 4 filters.

The most common pleated filters are 1″ thick, but thicker filters are available. A pleated filter that is 2″ thick will have much more filter surface area (and less airflow resistance) than a 1″ filter of the same width and height, and there also a number of products on the market that are 4″ and 5″ thick .

Filters with lower MERV numbers will pass air more freely, and cheap fiberglass filters are less restrictive than pleated filters, so those are other considerations. The fact is that any type of pre-filter should clean the air much better than the flimsy screens included with mini-split units, but care must be taken to avoid excessive restriction of air flow through the unit.

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By: Scott savidge https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44596 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 23:43:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44596 In reply to george penick.

With low external static pressure blower assembly’s I would doubt descent filters would allow proper airflow. It would take quite a bit of filter area to provide adequate esp.

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By: george penick https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44571 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 00:57:57 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44571 With this talk of thin/weak filters on these minis, is it not possible to ADD another layer to whats there?

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By: Robert Jordan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ductless-mini-splits-can-get-nasty-inside/#comment-44567 Mon, 09 Sep 2024 21:34:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9184#comment-44567 Lunsford’s Youtube: 2024 AHR Show at minute 10:00 has a Sharp ductless head with MERV 14 filters. The filters are at the top and the head sticks way out. I think he said it isn’t available yet.

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