Comments on: A Plumbing Feature Every Home Should Have https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 15 Oct 2024 11:45:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Richard Raborn MD https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44888 Tue, 15 Oct 2024 11:45:30 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44888 PHYN worked fine for me until I kept losing internet connection.

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By: Jason https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44852 Sat, 12 Oct 2024 12:30:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44852 I have a total of five Moen FLO systems in service in homes in three different states, and let me tell you, they are a lifesaver. In addition to the main FLO shutoff valve, I’ve deployed the individual leak sensors that connect via wifi to the main valve and shut it down in the event of a leak.

Not only does the system detect leaks, but it also monitors water and air temperature, water pressure (very handy warning-system in the event of a PRV failure), and a way to measure fixture flow rates.

At one of the properties I have a FLO meter installed on the irrigation system by itself. This is really helpful in managing irrigation usage (very important in drought-prone Southern Cal), but also allows me to remotely shut the water off if my gardeners are getting to happy with the hose!

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44810 Mon, 07 Oct 2024 16:02:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44810 In reply to Howard Katzman.

Howard: I like the ideas of adding a filter and smart valve with leak detection later, which I’ll do later. I’m leaving the gauges, though, as I like to know what’s going on. If a plumbing connection is going to leak, it usually leaks right away and these don’t.

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By: Bob https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44808 Sun, 06 Oct 2024 19:51:38 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44808 I installed a Moen Flo three years ago. It works well.

It will learn how you use water. One problem with this is that if you irrigate in the summer it will at first shut off the water, but will eventually learn that it is okay for high flows to occur for long periods of time. This somewhat negates its protection, especially in the following winter season. You have to call Moen to reset the algorithm.

The meter will also provide you with use data and this provides one interesting sidelight. The Moen Flo will total and record flow in both directions. If you have an “open system”, where the house plumbing “floats” on the city water system with the the city pipelines absorbing the expansion and contraction of the water in the house plumbing and water heater, your usage totals will go up. For my house, when we are away, this averages about 30 gallons of “flow” a day. Likely mostly from expansion and contraction in the water heater.

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By: Howard Katzman https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44800 Fri, 04 Oct 2024 21:17:16 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44800 I would eliminate the 2 pressure valves as those are 2 more connections that can leak over time. Instead you can check house pressure with a screw on gauge on the hose bibb closest to the house water line.
I recommend adding a whole house filter to, at the least, filter out sediment which can damage valves and clog aerators over time. I also recommend adding water leak detection. I can’t recommend a specific product (maybe others can?) but something that can shut off water quickly seems vital.

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By: Robert Danielson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44799 Fri, 04 Oct 2024 17:04:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44799 The “Doctor” says exercise … ball valves are good but susceptible to poor water quality.
Exercise the ball valve(s) twice a year. Open a water fixture; as water is flowing through the ball valve, close and open the valve 2-3 times. This will help clear the internal valve components and flush any build-up down the drain, while confirming the valve operates properly. Normal house fixtures are exercised and “flushed” when used which helps with extending their life.
It is a tough day when you go to use a shut-off ball valve, and it leaks or the shaft connecting the handle to the internal ball snaps off.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44798 Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:39:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44798 In reply to tom phillips.

I hear what you are saying about guaranteed employment for plumbers. In my previous neighborhood, the water utility required a backflow prevention device if you had an automatic fill valve for your swimming pool. They also required that it be inspected annually by a licensed plumber.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44797 Fri, 04 Oct 2024 16:21:40 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44797 In reply to RoyC.

I am not sure if I would put in a pressure relief valve. I was just warning you and others to avoid shutting off the same liquid line in two places for a very long period of time. As for expansion tanks, I don’t think they are required unless you have a “closed” system which is usually when the water utility requires a backflow prevention device (check valve). But if you don’t have an expansion tank, and you shut off your main supply valve for a long period of time (e.g., vacation), you should open a faucet or two to prevent hydraulic expansion.

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By: tom phillips https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44788 Fri, 04 Oct 2024 06:10:04 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44788 thanks for the good suggestions!! I had ball valves installed for the house supply and all irrigation systems when we had our 1950s plumbing updated. Years later, one of the latter started leaking when I turned it off for the winter. Come to find out that it was not the kind that can be easily repaired, but instead would cost several hundred dollars to have it replaced. Is this guaranteed employment for plumbers?

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By: Tim https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-plumbing-feature-every-home-should-have/#comment-44781 Fri, 04 Oct 2024 00:16:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=9226#comment-44781 “People keep telling me those SharkBite fittings leak.” What people?

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