Comments on: Do Women Need Warmer Temperatures Than Men? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Mon, 01 Nov 2021 13:12:30 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17311 Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:52:48 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17311 In reply to Allison Bailes.

People are mostly water. Bone is a little denser, fat is a little less dense. Skinny people do tend to sink in a pool and fat people tend to float, but I still claim the differences are small. I am not sure about the other factors, other than my wife has cold hands.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17309 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 21:56:03 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17309 Seasonal temperature preferences is worthy of its own article. In my experience, most people set the t’stat lower in winter than in summer. In fact, most thermostats enforce a minimum ‘dead band’ between cooling and heating setpoints to prevent control conflicts in Auto changeover mode.

I think there’s more to this seasonal differential than clothing. The body re-adapts to some extent, and I think a lot depends on what we become accustomed to. I encourage clients to take advantage of our ability to adapt to save energy. Over the years, I’ve intentionally extended my comfort range to 77-78 in summer and 69-70 in winter. I will be entering my eighth decade at my next birthday, so I’m wondering if my winter temperature preference will start climbing.

On a related topic… many people prefer lower temps while sleeping, especially in winter when blankets provide warmth. I’m curious how many people I turn down the AC at night. Personally, I have to reduce the master zone to 73 while sleeping, even with the ceiling fan. Unfortunately, I’ve not been successful at persuading my body to adapt to anything higher.

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By: Matt https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17306 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 17:42:11 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17306 I hear these statements about women being more sensitive to cold. But, I never see men out on frigid days in skirts or dresses. Thankfully, women now wear clothing more befitting the colder conditions, but not all of them and not all of the time. I don’t see men donning skirts or dresses either – well, except maybe for kilts.

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By: Bill Swanson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17303 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:00:41 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17303 Seasonal clothes. After getting married it really confused me that my wife would reorganize all of the clothes based on the season. I had to tell her to stop touching my clothes because I don’t have seasonal clothes. A winter coat and snow boots yeah, but that’s it. She has drawers of clothes that need to get swapped out based on the season.

Then I noticed my co-workers in the spring. The weather warmed up and the women wore more dresses and summery type outfits. They dressed for the weather. Lighter clothes for warmer weather. And then they would complain about freezing in the office. Which always seemed odd that as the weather warmed up, the cold complaints increased. But that’s because the outfits changed.

I might suggest that temp settings could also be seasonal.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17302 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 13:49:31 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17302 In reply to RoyC.

Roy, early on you said “assuming density is constant.” I’m pretty sure that’s not the case, though. Women have a lower density than men, so mass probably would be a better quantity to use. And then there’s the ASHRAE statement, which says, “Women’s skin temperature and evaporative loss are slightly lower than those for men, and this balances the somewhat lower metabolism of women.” Wouldn’t the lower metabolism also balance out the higher surface-to-volume ratio, if it is higher?

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17300 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 12:18:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17300 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Allison: I just kind of threw that comment out there as an initial thought, but the more I think about it, the more I think it has merit. I have reviewed past literature on thermal modeling of the human body by Fanger, Gagge, and others. People generate heat internally due to metabolism and the amount of that generation primarily depends on activity level and the mass or volume of the body (assuming density is constant). People have to expel all of that internally generated heat to the ambient in order to maintain a constant body temperature. Sensible heat transfer to the ambient depends primarily on the U-value (clothing level and air velocity), the surface area, and the temperature difference. If you write out all of the equations, you will see that the required ambient temperature to maintain this heat balance will depend on the surface-to-volume ratio (dissipated heat to generated heat) among other things. Since a sphere has the lowest surface-to-volume ratio, it would mean that people who are more spherically-shaped prefer cooler ambient temperatures. That seems to be true. Do women generally have higher surface-to-volume ratios? It seems like it, but more study is needed.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17299 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:34:14 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17299 Matt, yes, you’re absolutely right. The ASHRAE thermal comfort standard (55) ascribes “clo” values for different types of clothing as well as ensembles, which includes the insulating quality of the air when you have layers of clothing on.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17298 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:21:04 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17298 In reply to Shae.

Shae, yes, our thermoregulation definitely changes as we get older. I don’t get cold nearly as easily as I used to. And a few years ago, my wife’s stepdad needed his house very warm. If the thermostat was set below 78° F in winter, he’d complain. I learned to dress as lightly as possible when I’d go over there.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17297 Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:17:54 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17297 In reply to RoyC.

I’m not gonna touch that one, Roy. :~)

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By: Matt https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-women-need-warmer-temperatures-than-men/#comment-17292 Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:30:22 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6573#comment-17292 I don’t think that the issue is just related to the weight of the clothing. The number of layers of clothing may also be a factor. We are also told to wear winter clothing in layers and I subscribe to that recommendation. Part of the layer recommendation might be related to being able to take off layers to adjust to varying thermal conditions. One the other hand, I think that layers help to trap more air around a body, providing more insulation. So, don’t forget the layers of clothing.

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