Comments on: Foam Insulation and Global Warming, Part 3 https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Sun, 06 Jun 2021 16:54:26 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9577 Mon, 24 Oct 2016 23:00:52 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9577 Erich, EPS is a great product
Erich, EPS is a great product. If you get the type with graphite mixed in, you can get the same R-value as XPS (5 per inch).

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By: Erich Riesenberg https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9576 Mon, 24 Oct 2016 20:11:40 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9576 I have used expanded
I have used expanded polystyrene throughout my house, with a topping of mineral wool for fire safety.

EPS seems exemplary. Air barrier, vapor retarder, environmentally less damaging, maintains performance due to the absence of offgassing. Much cheaper at least when bought at Menards.

The only downside is a few extra inches to reach the same r value, which to a non builder seems like an easy adjustment.

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By: David White https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9575 Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:12:43 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9575 Hi Tom, I think it’s posted
Hi Tom, I think it’s posted on GBA but not sure exactly where. It was on EBN but the link seems to no longer work. If you email me at david[at]rightenvironments[dot]com, I can send you a copy.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9574 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 19:05:34 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9574 Thanks, Tom. Here’s the link
Thanks, Tom. Here’s the link to David’s calculator with cooling added to it:

http://phius.org/Tools-Resources/Protocols-Calculators/Insulation_GWP_Tool_v1.3.xls

As for what was in the brown paper bag, I’m not telling! ;~)

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By: Tom Bassett-Dilley https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9573 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 18:38:18 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9573 Hi David and Allison,
Hi David and Allison,
I was glad to hear Allison present on this at the PH conference a few days ago, and would love to have the calculator to use in the office (also would like to know what was in that brown bag, Allison! 😉 But the links I’ve tried so far haven’t worked–can you help with this? Thanks
Tom B-D

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By: David White https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9572 Mon, 13 Jun 2016 05:31:38 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9572 A couple of notes that might
A couple of notes that might help move this forward:

– the GWP calculator can be unlocked (password: “unlock”) so that the CO2 emissions for electricity can be adjusted for a specific location.

– The tool unfortunately does not model assemblies with more than one type of insulation. However you can fury rig as follows: 1) model with one of the types included in the “reference R value” calculation, then track the other type in the graph. This gives you embodied GWP of the 2nd type plus heating energy GWP. 2) set HDD to zero and track the 1st type in the chart. This gives you embodied GWP of the 1st type only. 3) add the two together. Email me with questions.

– Regarding the total GWP of XPS/ccSPF as the only insulation in an assembly, I want to make clear that even at low R-values it’s hard to get XPS/ccSPF to come close to the rest. E.g. in my NYC 5000 HDD climate at a whole-assembly R-15, you’ll see about 50% higher total GWP (embodied GWP plus heating energy) using XPS as you would using dense pack cellulose in a wood frame. It’s not that it’s fine at low R values; it just gets worse at high R values. By the way, in my opinion it clears up a lot of this to jettison the concept of payback in favor of total GWP, as used in the calculator.

– Regarding accounting for the benefits of air tightness, in my work most air barriers are composed of tape, caulk, and/or sealant applied to materials that are already in the construction for other reasons. I don’t expect the embodied GWP of the tape/caulk/sealant will add up to much.

I request that any responses to the two points above use real calculations. I am allergic to public speculation. I worked hard on that GWP calculator so that you all could download it for free, and use it, thereby sparing me a rash.

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By: Charles https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9568 Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:19:35 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9568 Agreed. His article was
Agreed. His article was based on mis-information and misunderstanding and actually cost us business. If he actually used good data like shown in the information I have sent you he would not have had an article to write in the first place. They have had this information since 2010 correcting their mistakes, yet they keep the article live as proven by your link. Why?

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By: Ted Kidd https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9571 Wed, 20 Apr 2016 21:19:40 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9571 Allison, I LOVE that you are
Allison, I LOVE that you are taking that next big step back and thinking systemically using first principles logic!

It’s painful, because it exposes previous thinking disconnects, but it also takes you on the path to being a great designer who doesn’t fixate on the unimportant.

We need homes that are controllable so occupants experience long term comfort, health, safety, which means getting things as tight as possible so you can manage air quality, temperature, humidity, and surface dew points all within a very narrow band all while driving EUI to 30–50% below average.

Keep going!!

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9570 Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:45:58 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9570 I like Mazria’s idea! I first
I like Mazria’s idea! I first heard him describe it 7 years ago when he spoke at the RESNET conference.

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By: Rachel Kingsley https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3/#comment-9569 Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:40:34 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=foam-insulation-and-global-warming-part-3#comment-9569 I don’t know much about WUFI
I don’t know much about WUFI or any of the really good energy modeling programs (we use REM Design) but as Ed Mazria from Architecture 2030 says, all architects (and home improvement contractors) should have a window in the bottom corner of their CAD screens that keeps track of embodied energy, projected energy usage, life cycle analysis, etc. When these professionals change the plans in any way, the data gets updated. In this way we will be able to assess what types of energy improvements are preferable in each unique situation. Right now we have a tool offered on the EPAs website called “Target Finder”
If you haven’t gone on Architecture 2030, here is my favorite page:
http://architecture2030.org/initiatives/roadmap-to-zero/
Thanks Allison, keep up the good work!

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