Comments on: Building Science and the Laws of Thermodynamics, Part 2 https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 14 May 2024 14:38:44 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Elizabeth Alexander https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-12625 Thu, 21 Nov 2019 20:32:01 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-12625 Greeting from New Zealand. I
Greeting from New Zealand. I just want to thank you for this blog. I love your down to earth explanation and it definitely seems like you are having fun along the way. I wish more teaching resources were like this. I really love the energyvanguard blog, keep up the good work.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-11265 Tue, 06 Feb 2018 19:50:06 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-11265 In reply to BobboMax.

Here is a great quote about
Here is a great quote about the 2nd Law that I got from a Super Bowl Commercial this past Sunday:

“You don’t have to know about Plato and Aristotle to serve. You don’t have to know Einstein’s theory of relativity to serve. You don’t have to know the second theory of thermodynamics in physics to serve. You only need a heart full of grace, a soul generated by love.”

Who do you think said this? It wasn’t Maxwell. To give you another hint, this quote was obviously made before the Second “Theory” became “Law” 😉
Also, it was quoted to encourage you to buy a certain brand of pickup truck.

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By: BobboMax https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-11264 Sun, 04 Feb 2018 03:39:47 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-11264 In reply to RoyC.

The simple answer is that the
The simple answer is that the Ranque-Hilsch Vortex Tubes are enchanted. The complex answer is that each employs a clone of Maxwell’s Demon, who stands at the entrance to the tube and, simply sorts the incoming air molecules according to their velocities, thus producing hot and cold streams, which can be directed to cool or heat objects at opposite ends of the tube.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-11116 Thu, 30 Nov 2017 21:28:37 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-11116 In reply to Gerald McClain.

Gerald, since no one else
Gerald, since no one else seems to want to help, I will take a shot at answering your question using the Second Law.

If you look at the diagram at the top of this blog and reverse the arrows so that it represents a heat pump instead of a power cycle, the Second Law says that the maximum COP for this system in heating is COPHmax = QH/W = TH/(TH-TL). TH is the indoor temperature, TL is the heat “source” temperature, so TH-TL is the difference between the indoor temperature and heat source temperature. Thus, the smaller the value of TH-TL, the greater is the possible value for COPH. I am not sure where you live, but if it is in the northern U.S., TL is probably around 50 F if the ground is your heat source and TL is usually below 50 F if the outside air is your heat source. Thus, a ground-coupled heat pump should win whenever the outdoor temperature is below 50 F. The same logic applies to cooling where COPLmax = QL/W = TL/(TH-TL), and TL is now the indoor temperature and TH is the outdoor air or ground temperature. As long as the ground temperature is below the outdoor air temperature, a ground-coupled heat pump wins. I hope that your saved energy pays for your six 300-foot bore holes.

I am not criticizing your choice, in fact, I use to own a house with a ground-water source heat pump and I loved it for all of the reasons you mentioned. It was a relatively cheap system since it used the same 80-foot deep well and pump as the water supply for my house, and then just dumped the water in a shallow field tile in my back yard with sandy soil.

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By: Gerald McClain https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-11114 Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:39:16 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-11114 Question is why does my
Question is why does my ground source heat pump system work so well to heat and cool my 6,000 sf home? I average $156 per month over a 7 year period. No outside fan noise for a compressor and home is very comfortable with 3 units a 2 ton, 3 ton and a 4 ton sounding like a refrigerator when running. I have 6 bore holes 300’ deep with 1” HDPE plastic pipe fused together. Even our football coach has a system in his new home. Why does it work so well using energy from the ground and not the air?

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-11112 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:23:04 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-11112 I have another quiz. Has
I have another quiz. Has anyone ever heard of a Ranque-Hilsch Vortex Tube? If not, it is a mechanical device with no moving parts and no work input that is supplied with compressed air. It then divides the compressed air into a hot outlet air stream and a cold outlet air stream. They are sold commercially and used for spot cooling applications. I actually bought one and used it for demonstrations in the classroom in my teaching days. You can easily get 30 degrees of temperature change. Why is this not a violation of the Second Law? I will let Allison explain how it works since he probably knew Ranque or Hilsch!

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/building-science-and-laws-thermodynamics-part-2/#comment-11111 Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:16:58 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=building-science-and-the-laws-of-thermodynamics-part-2#comment-11111 Allison, I agree that the
Allison, I agree that the second law is the most interesting, but you don’t seem to be getting much response. I guess that turkey is more interesting. But I have to object to this post. Why can you quote the Simpsons but I can’t quote The Big Bang Theory? I guess that the man with the gold makes the rules . . .

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