https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:06:48 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5862 Sun, 03 Aug 2014 17:06:48 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5862 Ok. I’m 71 years old and
Ok. I’m 71 years old and retired. How in the hell am I supposed to afford such price gouging pricess for freon R-22? Why the recovery charge when you are not taking anything out? What are we supposed to do other than just role over and DIE fron the high HEAT?

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5861 Fri, 01 Aug 2014 05:48:34 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5861 I agree with Greg, the total
I agree with Greg, the total cost includes so much more than the cost of the refrigerant. Another issue is once the supply house gets their dealers paying the high prices they don’t come down even when their cost drops. My skid pricing isan’t close to $10 a pound.

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5860 Wed, 04 Jun 2014 17:23:24 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5860 I know this a older blog but
I know this a older blog but I would like to chime in on the subject. How can we as AC professionals be so angry at gasoline prices and price gouging when when some of us are charging $75 lb for a product that in 2014 is not costing us anywhere near that amount. 
R-22 prices are for the time being stabilized at three times the cost of 410A. and for large companies that can purchase in bulk even less then that.The government has changed the cut off date.There is plenty of r-22 around right now. 
there is no legitimate reason right now to scare and sometimes rob people. 
I just fixed a leak on a 30 ton rooftop unit. The repair was a fraction of the cost of a new unit. 
A small central ac freon leak repair should not be used as a way to bully people. 
5 lbs of freon r-22 does not cost that much right now.6-4-14 
Do the repair smile and say when your to upgrade we will be there for you. 
http://ambientmechanicalsystems.com/freon-leak-repairs-fishkill-ny-12524/ 
 

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5859 Tue, 24 Dec 2013 05:21:11 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5859 almost all units nameplate
almost all units nameplate charge includes condenser, matching evaporator, and 15ft lineset. anything over 15ft lineset you add .6 oz(aprox) you should be charging by superheat anyway, only checking subcooling and it really sounds like a airflow problem. ever cleaned the evaporator coil, most techs never do and end up overcharging

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5858 Wed, 28 Aug 2013 15:56:07 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5858 Sounds like oversizing and/or
Sounds like oversizing and/or poor airflow issue. System overcharged to prevent the evap coil from freezing. Of course overcgage leads to liquid floodback and hence the reason you are changing the compressor.

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5857 Wed, 28 Aug 2013 07:59:37 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5857 I replaced a compressor on an
I replaced a compressor on an American Standard 3 ton condensor. I pulled out 11lbs and 6 oz of R-22 while the name plate read 6 lbs and 5 oz. Lines set was 15 feet. I added a filter drier and the subcooling charge was 10lbs and 8 oz. why is that??? It should be the name plate charge plus the filter drier, 2 1/2 more oz. Name plate charge I only had 45PSI??? Any thoughts or reasons for the additional 4 lbs of refrigerant??

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5856 Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:31:04 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5856 there are always going to be
there are always going to be hvac companies & homeowners that see cheaper equipment as the best ‘deal’. that mindset wont change for everyone. 
as long as unit doesn’t leak it isn’t a problem…but paying $175 per lb for 5 ton unit on start up…there goes the savings. funny they never see it that way! LOL! 
 
onwards & upwards folks! 
 
sweet article AB

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5855 Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:24:55 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5855 As a small contractor I have
As a small contractor I have switched to 410a exclusively. Yes I still service r-22 units that leak but for 4 years have never installed a dry unit. Funny thing lately though I had to refill two very large units. Wiped out the rest of can r-22 and about half another in one week. I deal with two suppliers and checked pricing for both. The price for r-22 had actually come down about 40 dollars since I bought one last year. Go figure. I sell mine by exact ozs I put in the system. Cost to customer is 1.28 an oz. Others I know do just sell by the pound. I still see new dry units from less than a year ago. Don’t understand the ethics but a lot of people arent that busy. I’m swamped with work sometimes too much. It took me awhile to get on the band wagon Allison but I’m not going backwards like some companies.

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5854 Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:02:29 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5854 I’m not looking forward to
I’m not looking forward to the chaos to come in the field when techs come upon systems with different R22 alternatives. Will service trucks have to carry 6-10 different refrigerants? 
 
Also, I’ve yet to encounter a truly good alternative – all seem to have shortcomings – reduced capacity, different oil, different metering device

]]> https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole/#comment-5853 Wed, 26 Jun 2013 15:27:49 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-high-price-of-r-22-for-air-conditioners-may-close-the-loophole#comment-5853 Contractors are simply using
Contractors are simply using alternate refrigerants such as NU22 and MO99 to fill the dry condensers/systems with. R22 Dry swaps aren’t going away anytime soon.

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