Comments on: Duct Design 2 — Available Static Pressure https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Fri, 23 Sep 2022 15:05:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Chad https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-12688 Thu, 19 Dec 2019 13:09:02 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-12688 Thanks for the info , it’s
Thanks for the info , it’s been years since I’ve had to look at a manual D. When you’re figuring the pressure drops for AESP , do you add the drop for every register ? I wasn’t sure if you did all or just on the TEL .
Also in the comment above from someone else, can you design any duct system off of a .1 supply and .05 return?
I see some guys do a .1 for both , but if either are true, why do all the other work like TEL, AESP etc
Thanks

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-12441 Mon, 19 Aug 2019 18:57:14 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-12441 In reply to Adam.

@Adam, the static rise and
@Adam, the static rise and drop (resistance) of multiple supply or return branches are not additive! Allison covers this in the next article in this series (see link at end of article) where he writes: “choose the (duct run) that has the greatest total effective length. You do NOT use the sum of all the ducts and fittings.”

With 9 returns with filter grilles, you are correct that filters won’t use up much of the available static. Aside from considering the resistance of the ‘greatest total effective length’ path, you should calculate average filter face velocity (CFM / filter face area in ft2). Ideally, you’ll want face velocity to be less than 200 feet per minute, which works out to 6 ft2 if system airflow is 1,200 CFM. Check out Allison’s article “The Path to Low Pressure Drop Across a High-MERV Filter” on that topic.

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By: MARK B https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-12440 Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:46:50 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-12440 In reply to Adam.

IF YOU ARE DESIGNING A SYSTEM
IF YOU ARE DESIGNING A SYSTEM, REGARDLESS OF THE AMOUNT OF RUNS OR CFM, THEN YOU CAN DO IT WITH A STANDARD DUCTULATOR. MATCH 600 CFM WITH .1 FRICTION LOSS FOR SUPPLY RUN OFF UNIT AND 600 CFM AT.05 FOR RETURNS. THAT WILL GIVE YOU ROUND OR SQUARE DUCT SIZE THAT IS OPTIMAL. THEN IF YOU NEED LETS SAY TWO 100 CFM SUPPLY REGISTERS AND YOU BRANCH THOSE OFF ABOUT 2 FEET DOWN THE LINE, THEN FIRST YOU WOULD CHECK 100 CFM AT .1 (BC IT IS SUPPLY) AND FIND YOU WOULD RUN A 6 IN ROUND PROB. THEN AFTER THE TWO TAKE-OFFS AT 100 CFM A PIECE, YOU NOW HAVE 400 CFM TO DEAL WITH… NOW YOU CAN RUN DUCT SIZED FOR 400 CFM AT .1 FR INSTEAD OF 600. AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

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By: Adam https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-12438 Mon, 19 Aug 2019 07:36:04 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-12438 I was wondering about what
I was wondering about what exactly is totaled and subtracted from ESP to find ASP. For example: If my idea for a duct system includes 13 total supply vents, and I wanted to place dampers prior to each one to be able to dial in each room more precisely, would that mean that of my .5 inwc budget I have already used up 0.39 before even factoring in any of the ducts or fittings? Also, I was wondering about filter returns. Assuming in the same system I have 9 returns, all with filter boxes, and a filter in the return plenum, would that eat up double my total (10 x 0.1 = 1 in wc). And can this be largely ignored my over sizing the returns? Say my system requires 600 CFM total for the house, but I have the return set up to be able to handle 1,200 cfm or more. Would the filters even matter at that point?

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-12184 Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:24:59 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-12184 @Abiola, the pressure setting
@Abiola, the pressure setting (or more typically the position of the counterweight on the relief damper) must be determined empirically by measuring the airflow at the AHU. The latter can be done with a TrueFlow® meter from Energy Conservatory or by taking external static pressure measurements at the AHU and refer to the blower table for the unit. The idea is to maintain a respectable minimum airflow across the heat exchanger. The minimum flow depends on whether the blower is associated with a furnace, heat pump, straight A/C, etc, and in the case of A/C, which climate zone you’re in. That’s another discussion if you need some help with that.

Dumping relief air in the ceiling void avoids the issue with more common bypass ducts (i.e., routing relief air directly back into the return side close to the AHU, which is a bad idea on several levels). However, your plan has other risks: in particular, creating a pressure imbalance between ceiling void and rooms, which will induce more infiltration that if the system were balanced. You can mitigate (but not eliminate) this issue by ensuring the ceiling void communicates with room air, but that in turn could lead to excess cooling (or heating) in the spaces where that air exchange occurs. There’s no free lunch with fixed capacity equipment.

BTW, if your AHU is variable speed, constant volume (i.e., ECM motor with constant volume logic), then it will attempt to maintain the selected airflow volume, but at a cost of higher energy consumption. In that case, you’ll set the relieve damper using a power meter rather than based on air volume, keeping in mind that you still need to make sure external static at the AHU doesn’t exceed the maximum for the unit.

Lastly, you asked about positioning the relief damper… It doesn’t make any difference where it’s located as long as it’s upstream from all VAV boxes.

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By: Abiola https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-12183 Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:01:07 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-12183 Thank you for the detailed
Thank you for the detailed explanation. I currently have a fixed speed AHU fan supplying air to a number of different zones. However, each of the zones is controlled independently by its VAV box with a room controller (with sensor). When all VAVs are closed or running at their minimum speed, the idea I have is to make use of a pressure relief damper to release the excess air into the ceiling void since it’s a constant volume system. The question I have is how do I know the pressure setting required for the pressure relief damper and what’s the best location for the pressure relief damper to accurately capture the pressure buildup and release?

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-11358 Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:57:56 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-11358 In reply to David Butler.

Mark wrote: “I would take my
Mark wrote: “I would take my measurements with a probe in the blower compartment for the negative side and a probe above the coil, but below the heat pack for my positive pressure, and add them together…”

Just to clarify, most AHU’s have the coil on the negative side of the blower (Trane Hyperion is one exception that comes to mind).

Regarding probe placement, it’s easier/better to drill the plenums instead of the AHU cabinet. In that case, subtract the heat strip kit static spec from the SP numbers given in the blower table. Either way yields the same result. Also, if the blower table includes a factory filter (typically @ 0.10 IWC) and it’s not being used, you must add that back to the blower table numbers.

In my experience, most air handlers have a higher maximum static than 0.5 IWC. Also, virtually all air handlers have more than one speed tap or setting, sometimes with different maximum ESP per speed. In any case, never use the AHU’s maximum ESP as your target. Keep in mind that the filter resistance will increase over time as it collects dust. More importantly, blowers are less efficient at the top of the fan curve, especially ECM’s. It’s best to stay in the middle of the range. If you have to use max static to get the design airflow, consider using a different air handler!

Once you determine the appropriate design airflow, study the blower table and determine which speed yields the desired airflow at an acceptable ESP, interpolating as necessary. I typically specify ‘not to exceed 0.4 IWC TESP’ for conventional air handlers, but I go lower for ducted mini-splits and other low static AHU’s. The objective is to stay within the blower’s ‘sweet spot’ in terms of efficiency. Unfortunately, residential equipment manufacturers don’t publish fan curves. However, if the blower table includes Watts for each static-speed combination, you can easily calculate blower efficiency (CFM/Watt) for a few points within your target range.

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By: Mark Bean https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-11357 Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:11:23 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-11357 In reply to David Butler.

@David — So, if I have an AH
@David — So, if I have an AH which indicates that it has a max allowable static pressure of .5, then the only static pressure measurements I need to be concerned with exceeding .5 are the non-factory filter racks, and whatever heat pack I have installed, and the ductwork itself? Therefore, I would take my measurements with a probe in the blower compartment for the negative side and a probe above the coil, but below the heat pack for my positive pressure, and add them together to get the less than .5 (hopefully) SP that is max for that unit??

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-11356 Sat, 24 Mar 2018 06:11:56 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-11356 In reply to Mark Bean.

@Mark, external static, by
@Mark, external static, by definition, accounts for permanently affixed internal components such as the heat exchanger in the case of a furnace, or the refrigerant coil in the case of an air handler. So to answer your question, the coil in Allison’s example has already accounted for in the blower table’s external static specs.

OTOH, a heat strip kit, if present, is considered ‘external’ because the size and thus pressure drop is unknown by the manufacturer. The installation manual should have a table showing how much static to subtract for each kit.

Cabinet mounted filters, especially when shipped with the unit, are typically accounted for in external static, although designers should always verify one way or the other. In many cases blower tables include a footnote indicating how much static was subtracted for the filter. That way if a more (or less) restrictive filter is installed, only the difference would be subtracted from available static.

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By: Mark Bean https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/duct-design-2-available-static-pressure/#comment-11355 Fri, 23 Mar 2018 19:05:46 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=duct-design-2-available-static-pressure#comment-11355 Having a little trouble
Having a little trouble understanding your example with the software you used to determine allowable SP for duct design… If you have a system, lets say a HP since that is what you described above, and the AH is a one piece with a coil pre-installed. The AH is rated for a max of .5 in wc TESP. Regardless that the coil is pre-installed, it still has a pressure drop that the blower will be “seeing” under normal operation, just like the filter media, and electric heater elements. Why did you not include the coil pressure drop or the electric heater pressure drop in your example? You say that in your example, we would have .41 in wc static pressure left to “play around with” when designing the duct system! I can’t wrap my head around where you are factoring in the coil drop in your calculations? Any help would be greatly appreciated??

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