Comments on: How to Read Manual J Load Calculation Reports https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Wed, 24 Feb 2021 22:50:28 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-13469 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 21:15:16 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-13469 In reply to SS.

@SS, when you say RH isn’t
@SS, when you say RH isn’t managed well, I assume you mean it sometimes gets too high. To address this issue, it’s important to first identify the moisture source(s) and verify the cooling system has adequate latent capacity (i.e., moisture removal capacity).

Common sources include excess ventilation air and/or infiltration, inadequate spot exhaust for showers & cooking, and poor roof and/or site drainage. Excess moisture in an vented crawl space or unconditioned basement will migrate into the home through leakage paths in the floor. And if the air handler and/or ducts are located in unconditioned space (including attic), any return-side leaks will draw in ambient moisture and overwhelm your A/C’s latent capacity. Home performance professionals rely on various diagnostic tools and methods to identify the sources for the moisture in your home.

Not knowing anything about your home or where you live, 1000 ft2 per ton suggests your RH issue is probably not the result of gross oversizing. But even a properly sized A/C can fall short on moisture removal if not set up properly. For example, continuous fan (as opposed to “auto”) tends to re-evaporate residual moisture on the coil at the end of each cycle. And the A/C’s latent capacity will be compromised if airflow is set too high or coil is too large for the condenser (requires independent evaluation by a qualified HVAC tech).

Supplemental dehumidification should only be considered as a last resort, after all sources of moisture have been minimized to the extent possible (‘source control’), and A/C latent performance optimized.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-13468 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:56:06 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-13468 In reply to SS.

SS, you’re close but you

SS, you’re close but you missed two things in your calculation.  What you’re trying to end up with is square feet per ton, so you have to do the division the other way around.  Before that, though, you need to convert BTU/hr to tons.

34,048 BTU/hr ÷ 12,000 BTU/hr / ton = 2.84 tons

2,860 sf ÷ 2.84 tons = 1,008 sf/ton

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By: SS https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-13467 Fri, 18 Sep 2020 02:29:33 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-13467 Hi David, thank you for the
Hi David, thank you for the educational information. I have new home construction and have been in discussion with the builder and HVAC trade for over a year that the Rh isn’t managed well with the cooling system. I have a copy of the Wrightsoft load report at 128 pages long. This article mentions that a simplified check can be made by taking the Total Cooling Load and dividing it by the CFA, 34,048(Btuh) / 2,860 (sf) = 11.9. I’m expecting a more significant value, i.e. 400sf, 500sf, 600sf, not 11.9. What have I fat thumbed?
-thank you

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-13316 Wed, 29 Jul 2020 19:28:22 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-13316 In reply to Heidi.

@Heidi, it’s impossible to
@Heidi, it’s impossible to know what went wrong without auditing the load report, coupled with on-site assessments and diagnostics. But I can make the following observations:
1) manual overrides in the load calc software aren’t necessarily a bad thing
2) inability to satisfy the load could be caused by equipment problems and/or installation issues
3) critical construction details may not have been nailed down prior to hvac rough-in, or may have changed after rough-in
4) the HVAC contractor may not have done a proper Manual S calculation (equipment selection) based on the load report
5) even if 3 tons is enough capacity on paper, 4500+ ft2 seems too large to me for a single system (may be impossible to balance)

Bottom line: Proper design and installation involves a lot more than getting the load correct.

What does the HVAC company say about the problem? At a minimum, they should install a data logger (e.g., HOBO) at the thermostat location to document the temperature performance. With that, it should be obvious there’s a problem. If they ultimately agree to replace the AC, you should have an independent designer review their plan. For example, the furnace or air handler may also need to be replaced in order to get sufficient blower capacity. Also, as I said, I’m skeptical that a single system can handle a house that large.

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By: Heidi https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-13314 Tue, 28 Jul 2020 22:05:04 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-13314 Hi we just got done building
Hi we just got done building a home and the HVAC company used the wrightsoft program to size our unit and it is not performing at all. We feel it was grossly undersized! The unit is running non stop and does the same cycle each day. Wake up and it’s maintaining the set temperature and as the day progresses it gets higher and higher then what the thermostat is set at. And then runs till about 2 am to get it back down. Then repeat. They provided me w the report and there are a lot of numbers manually overridden. It’s area is 4555 sq ft and they put in a 3 ton unit. Can you please give any input?

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By: Michael Howard https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-13090 Sat, 23 May 2020 18:43:41 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-13090 The only thing better is if
The only thing better is if your documents were in complete PDF downloads.

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By: Armando Cobo https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-12833 Sun, 08 Mar 2020 12:16:08 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-12833 David – Thank for helping me
David – Thank for helping me understand this issue, I really appreciate it. I got my marching orders, ;-))

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-12832 Sat, 07 Mar 2020 23:43:08 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-12832 In reply to David Butler.

Sorry, next-to-last sentence
Sorry, next-to-last sentence in my initial reply should read: “…dial in a higher SHR…”

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-12831 Sat, 07 Mar 2020 23:21:37 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-12831 In reply to David Butler.

Great question, Armando!
Great question, Armando! Naturally I can’t know how your mech contractor did the load without reviewing his reports, but I can tell you that the problem you describe is pervasive. As it turns out, MJ software requires the designer to stipulate system SHR so it can convert the sensible load to tons. This is WRONG as it ignores the Manual S procedure! Determining the size of the system is beyond the scope of MJ, thus in my opinion, the software shouldn’t need to know the equipment’s SHR, nor should it convert loads to ‘tons’.

In my experience, most contractors leave the SHR field at the default (0.75 in Right-J), probably because their MJ8 instructor didn’t correctly explain this setting. The problem is that (most) load calc programs were designed before Manual S was developed and before (most) manufacturers began publishing expanded performance data. But even if the designer determines the correct SHR and enters it into the MJ software, the resulting ‘tons’ shown on the report may still be incorrect. That’s because the software (at least in the case of Right-J) simply divides the sensible load by 12,000 to come up with tons. As explained in my previous reply, just because a system is rated 2 tons doesn’t mean it has 24,000 capacity at your design conditions.

For example, let’s assume the sensible load = 19,000, latent load = 2,000, and total load = 21,000, which is nominally 1.75 tons. A given 2-ton system might only have have 23,400 total capacity at your design conditions, which at first glance appears to be more than enough. Assume the expanded tables reveal a sensible ratio of .79 at your design conditions and design airflow. This works out to 18,486 sensible, not enough to satisfy the load!

As noted in my previous reply, the designer can select a different coil and airflow setting and perhaps satsify the load… But keep in mind, it may be counterproductive to try to match the load’s SHR (90% in your example, not unusual in the Southwest). In any case, there’s nearly always a difference between the load SHR and the equipment SHR.

Bottom line: I would not rule out that you may actually need a 2.5 ton system, but if the contractor set SHR = 0.7, my guess is that he’s simply using the SHR as a ‘fudge factor’ rather than following the Manual S procedure.

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By: Armando Cobo https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports/#comment-12830 Sat, 07 Mar 2020 02:46:10 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=how-to-read-manual-j-load-calculation-reports#comment-12830 In reply to David Butler.

Hi David – Thank you for the
Hi David – Thank you for the detailed explanation. A builder I designed a house for and I are trying to work with a new HVAC company. Its promising, but we have some small “difference” of opinion in couple a points. One is the SHR. My MJ8 calcs tells me I need a 2 ton heat pump for the 3000sf/HERS42/1ACH50 designed house.The HVAC guys want to install a 3 ton HP (16SEER, 10HSPF), since his numbers with lower SHR were at 2.4 tons. His explanation is that with variable speed units, it didn’t matter. I know to many folks that’s small potatoes, but when we’re trying to build an efficient zero energy house, every bit of load counts… btw, the calculated SHR from the loads is .90, so why use .70? That’s my argument!

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