Comments on: Can You Replace an Air Conditioner With a Same-Size Heat Pump? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 24 Aug 2023 21:40:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Roy Collver https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-34399 Thu, 24 Aug 2023 21:40:49 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-34399 Howdy neighbor (I am on Vancouver Island).
By far, the most accurate way to determine actual heat load is to use data from the run-times of existing heating / cooling equipment vs. outdoor temperature and other significant environmental factors such as wind speed. But – – the devil is in the details. Occupancy and usage patterns can skew the numbers all over the place. The best approach would be to use consumption data from many, many sources to even out the peaks and valleys of individual results. As much as I dislike the AI will solve everything attitude – I can see where accurate data fed into a database might allow AI to come up with meaningful conclusions AND keep a running tab as this all develops.

We do live in interesting times.

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By: Vancouver Boiler Repair https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-34385 Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:04:44 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-34385 It’s fascinating how the conversation around HVAC systems is evolving with the Inflation Reduction Act and the push for electrification. Your blog post highlights some crucial considerations for homeowners looking to replace their air conditioner and furnace with a heat pump. The distinction between heating capacity and the assumption about existing system sizing is particularly enlightening. Your method of gauging the heating load by observing the furnace’s runtime during the local outdoor design temperature is a practical approach, though load calculations and professional HVAC input seem essential for accurate results. Embracing a holistic perspective, including equipment selection and potential auxiliary heat needs, is indeed pivotal for a successful transition.

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By: Roy Collver https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-33052 Mon, 20 Mar 2023 21:19:15 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-33052 In reply to John M Marshall.

I know many certified refrigeration techs who would not touch this with a 10 meter pole (Canadian eh). I would not want to live next door with a DIY modified unit next to my house when it goes BANG – SSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Right next to my HRV fresh air intake. You would be hearing from my Brother, who is a litigation lawyer.

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By: Rj https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-33040 Mon, 20 Mar 2023 11:49:02 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-33040 In reply to M.

I think someone has been reading how an advanced technology low ambient heat pump adds a plate heat exchanger to the outside unit to provide vapor injection to the compressor. But these advanced heat pumps, pioneered by Mitsubishi as “hyper heat” models, still have reversing valves, accumulators, electronic expansion valves and the ability to drive a variable speed compressor overspeed to maintain nominal btu output at low ambients. Plus a gas bypass circuit to defrost the outdoor coil. An amazing piece of value engineering for the residential and light commercial market, available from Mitsubishi for decades. However their patents may have expired. Today the advanced diyer can buy similar technology from several Chinese suppliers for 1/3 to 1/2 of the cost of a Mitsubishi hyper heat installed. A Chinese low ambient heat pump without the reliability and assurance of quality but anyone who could add a heat exchanger to an existing ac could do a complete install easily. And possibly have something that would work at the end of the day.

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By: John M Marshall https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-33037 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 23:42:17 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-33037 In reply to M.

Extremely bad idea. Reversing valve, lots of copper plumbing, evpansion valve, defrost circuit board, defrost sensor. Most do it yourself as couldn’t do it because of the thousands of dollars of tools one would also need. But still the biggest reason not to do it….not engineered for efficiency.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-33036 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:35:58 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-33036 In reply to M.

M: Let’s start with the fact that it would almost certainly void the warranty on the air conditioner. If that’s not an issue, it seems that this “easy diy” modification would have to involve messing with the refrigerant, which isn’t legal if you don’t have the EPA 608 certification. That would certainly take it out of “easy diy” territory.

If this “pipe in a pipe heat exchanger which will be connected to a heat buffer” doesn’t require changing the refrigerant flows, you’re gonna have to explain to us how a system that moves heat from indoors to outdoors can do the opposite with this “easy diy” hack.

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By: Westbrook Barry https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-33035 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 22:24:36 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-33035 I am interested to understand more about M’s comment: “Why would you change air con to heat pump if you can run 10x cheaper Aircon unit as a heat pump simply by changing internal unit with plate heat exchanger or make your own pipe in a pipe heat exchanger which will be connected to a heat buffer. Easy diy and no thieving companies involved as this is super easy.”

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By: M https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-33034 Sun, 19 Mar 2023 21:07:57 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-33034 Why would you change air con to heat pump if you can run 10x cheaper Aircon unit as a heat pump simply by changing internal unit with plate heat exchanger or make your own pipe in a pipe heat exchanger which will be connected to a heat buffer. Easy diy and no thieving companies involved as this is super easy.

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By: Aaron https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-32721 Sat, 04 Feb 2023 04:55:12 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-32721 In reply to Dirk Roper.

Look, here in Southern California electrification is pushed and incentivised. I do alot of system design. I also do in home sales as well as commercial proposals and project management.
I agree that a 100,000 btu furnace may be oversized. Definitely in Southern California. The efficiency of the unit matters such as 80%, 95% ETC. Where your btu output on said furnace would be the percentage of that
Other contractors in my area have had problems when swapping to heat pumps for these issues which are universal in the states: Ductwork and insulation. The homeowner complaints of high utility bills and taking very long to heat is the main issues.
Our number one item on a heat pump conversion is ductwork and insulation.
Have the right conversation.
A gas furnace requires less cfm to impact the air than cooling. With a heat pump you are using cooling cfms for heating. The temperature of the air is also not going to be as high with a heat pump.
Proper duct sizing and insulation should be the go to when deciding if the fit is correct as well if the homeowner will pursue implementing those recommendations if there system is inadequate.
Also, multi stage equipment and variable speed airflow need to be talked about. The least is a variable speed blower. That blower allows you to have proper cfm delivery, and adjustment to ducting afterward can be made on a prescription based approach.
I also recommend installing a ducted minisplit or multiple head system. Reason being is they are more targeted conditioning as well as greater design temps from 120 degrees down to 12. Traditional non variable speed heat pumps will drop capacity as it gets closer to 32 degrees and above the design temp for your area.
The technology though is getting there where Mitsubishi and Daikin wont habe that edge in design temp.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-you-replace-an-air-conditioner-with-a-same-size-heat-pump/#comment-32707 Wed, 01 Feb 2023 11:38:31 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7960#comment-32707 In reply to Randy Prefer.

Randy: Multi-stage or variable capacity equipment is the way to go!

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