Comments on: My New Favorite Duct Disaster https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 16 Aug 2022 17:25:54 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Tapani Talo https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8976 Wed, 30 Dec 2015 02:16:29 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8976 Just to add to the silliness,
Just to add to the silliness, one sees the attic roof beyond, non insulated. So all this is triple loss for the owner.
Whoever did this (or was in charge by signing this for the building department) should lose their licence for 6 months to a year—like what happens to drivers after some events.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8974 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 01:18:55 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8974 In reply to teresa sanabria.

teresa,
teresa,

Where are you reading those relative humidity numbers? If it’s in the air coming off the coil or right out of the supply vent, it’s probably fine. Relative humidity doesn’t really tell you how humid the air is unless you also know the temperature. For 60° F air at 80% RH, the dew point is about 54° F. Air conditioned to design conditions (75° F and 50% RH) has a dew point of 55° F, so you’re right there. See my article on this:

The Problem with Relative Humidity
http://www.energyvanguard.com/blog-building-science-hers-bpi/problem-with-relative-humidity

If, however, the air in the room is hitting 77% or 89% at normal room temperatures of ~75° F, then you have a problem.

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By: teresa sanabria https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8972 Sat, 22 Aug 2015 01:10:26 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8972 i purchased a bryant split
i purchased a bryant split air system less than two years ago. the day after it was installed it showed on the thermostat that the co istalled humidity of 77%. this continued so the co came out & changed the theromstat and said that the filter i was using was too good and gave me a box of cheap filters. when the air cycles on the humidity starts at its lowest and at the end at the hightest. it was tested by someone else and actually showed 88.9% humidity at the end of the air cycle.i also now have a mold problem &poor air quality. any suggestions please?

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By: Steve Waclo https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8969 Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:03:21 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8969 Allison,
Allison,

A few questions.

How did you come by the photos?

Did you become involved in any way?

Has the photographer who iPhoned the photos out of that flex duct jungle been rescued or are they still MIA?

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By: Cameron Taylor https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8967 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 22:23:33 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8967 @EnergyCircle tweeted during
@EnergyCircle tweeted during David Hill’s presentation:

“The craft of sheet metal is dying with the generation that is now retiring. David Hill at #bscamp.”

To which I replied:

“Flex duct syndrome. Each time we make it easier to install, we make it easier to get bad results.”

That evening in Joe’s backyard this topic arose again, and I mentioned “flex duct syndrome”, and how it can also be seen in the adoption of CSST (corrugated stainless steel tubing) to replace black iron pipe for natural gas piping in a house. Easier to install, easier to run it where roofing or drywall nails punch a hole into it, filling an attic or wall cavity with explosive gas.

The craft of sheet metal and other crafts are dying because the demand for these crafts is diminishing, largely replaced by “string it out and hope for the best” mentality that unfortunately so often follows a material like flex duct and CSST.

The original intent for flex duct was to be the final short run of duct between a metal branch and a diffuser in a suspended ceiling. Personally I think that application is where flex should have remained. Yes, it can be installed properly as an all-flex system in a residence, but how often is that done? So often this stuff is installed in hot weather, and installers want to get it in and themselves out of the attic as soon as possible. Careful attention to detail tends to slip in this environment.

All of this discussion only strengthens my case for getting ducts and air handlers out of the attic altogether. Just a matter of getting home buyers and builders to realize the value of HVAC and ducts in conditioned space far exceeds the small sacrifice of square footage to accommodate it. Time to let go of 20th century archaic practices (based on the myth of perpetually cheap energy and resources)

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By: Dennis Brachfeld https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8965 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:36:51 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8965 A lot of old school HVAC guys
A lot of old school HVAC guys do need to be “Bailed” out of their old ways, to the current efficient days! Again thanks for sharing and caring!

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By: Jim Gunshinan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8963 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:21:19 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8963 Thanks Allison, now I’ll be
Thanks Allison, now I’ll be having nightmares.

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By: John Mattson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8948 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:11:00 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8948 In reply to danny orlando.

Only place I could find to
Only place I could find to submit a comment. Is that unit really just sitting on four concrete blocks, on end, as it appears? If so, it is a violation of the law in a bunch of places. Hope they are not in a state with earthquakes… which would rule out all 50.

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By: Walt Neboshynsky https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8961 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 20:53:54 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8961 In reply to Dale Sherman.

Looks like a bigger in-line
Looks like a bigger in-line fan on that one. Maybe the flex duct was collapsing so they put in a rigid duct?

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By: Dale Sherman https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-new-favorite-duct-disaster/#comment-8959 Fri, 14 Aug 2015 19:50:39 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-new-favorite-duct-disaster#comment-8959 How did that piece of hard
How did that piece of hard pipe get in there? Did they run out of flex?

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