Comments on: 10 Consequences of Keeping Your Home Really Cold in Summer https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 01 Apr 2021 12:56:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Alex Eschweiler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13640 Sat, 16 Jan 2021 07:30:20 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13640 Howdy!

I live in Austin, TX and we have a few months of high humidity and high outside temps. I’m getting ready to design a new home and I have been battling with this issue. My girlfriend of over 20+ years (stopped counting) likes it around 68 to sleep…me not so much. Our new house will have 2 zones, a his and hers zone if you will (rooms on opposite ends of the house), and likely 2 geothermal HVAC systems in the 3000 sq. ft. home. After reading this helpful article, I am leaning to doing an Insulated Concrete Form (ICF) house. Will that alleviate these potential risks, along with a dehumidifier? Also, due to PTSD, I can’t sleep with any noise or I wake up…is there a way to design ducts/returns/equipment to be completely silent? It is so annoying, I can’t even sleep with a ceiling fan on.

Here in Austin, they love flex ducts (I don’t like them – I have allergies up the ying yang), and most installers seem to cut corners on HVAC design and installation, or charge an arm and a leg.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I have just gotten so much conflicting answers, it is hard to sort.

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By: ayetchvacker https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13571 Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:44:07 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13571 I’m glad to see this article.
I’m glad to see this article. I have a customer whom I have attempted to explain this scenario to. Stat set to 64°, back door open, swamp in backyard, she asks my why water is running down the bathroom walls and tells me six months ago a mold remediation company had all the walls opened up. Nightmare scenario.

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By: Charge Brister https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13418 Sat, 05 Sep 2020 16:45:22 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13418 Recently I was in a home
Recently I was in a home where the thermostat was set at 68 and the customer asked why there were drops of water dripping from the registers. Upon further inspection I found the fireplace damper open introducing the hot humid Florida air into the living room. The homeowner was not aware of the damper. Of course I sealed the fireplace with plastic sheets before doing the test and he was amazed at how the sheet bulged even with the damper closed. I don’t think I changed his mind on his thermostat setting but maybe on how the problem is created.

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By: Thomas Dugan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13417 Fri, 04 Sep 2020 14:41:00 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13417 In reply to David Butler.

David, your points, as always
David, your points, as always, are well taken. My dehumidifier hour per day usage is supplemental during cooling months (one or two hours as most) and gets some help with electricity usage by running thermostat comfortably higher. A 70 pint dehumidifier draws around 600 watts.
As to vapor drive, I spend my first insulation dollars on sealing the “shell of the egg”. I do not want hot moist outside air meeting cool inside air anywhere if possible.
Great topic Allison. Thank you.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13416 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 19:54:07 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13416 In reply to Nathan Shirai.

It’s worth pointing out that
It’s worth pointing out that a dehumidifier will further blow up the energy budget. Moreover, dehumidifiers have less capacity and higher operating cost at lower ambient temperatures. OTOH, anyone who sets their t’stat in the 60’s apparently doesn’t care about energy efficiency. But they should care about mold and house rot. And as Allison noted above, a dehumidifier does nothing to mitigate those risks. If anything, it will exacerbate the problem by increasing vapor drive.

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By: Dan W. Goss II https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13415 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 14:55:00 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13415 Please include this in your
Please include this in your book as it is becoming more common. I spend the bulk of my days on service calls. Among the younger generations it no longer shocks me to see a 68-69 degree set point. Additionally, the set points are often lowered to 65-66 degrees at night.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13414 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:27:04 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13414 In reply to Ivan Mose.

Ivan, yeah, that sounds like

Ivan, yeah, that sounds like a recipe for a lot of condensation inside the walls.  With the plastic vapour barrier behind the drywall, none of the water vapour has a chance to diffuse through the drywall and provide a little bit of drying.  It all gets stuck in there, and with the house at 17° C, they’ve got a really cold surface to collect it.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13413 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:24:12 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13413 In reply to Dave Buzzell.

Dave, I was hoping someone

Dave, I was hoping someone from St. Louis would see this article and know about Ted Drewes!  Yes, I went to Wash. U. but can’t say I got a good education there.  Not because of the school, though.  I wasn’t ready for grad school then so I dropped out after about six weeks.  That’s why I was working at a dry cleaners’ in December ’83.  Eight years later, I did go back to grad school at Florida.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13412 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:20:56 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13412 In reply to Nathan Shirai.

Nathan, yes, a dehumidifier

Nathan, yes, a dehumidifier will solve some of problems (e.g., sweating supply registers), but it doesn’t help with mold growing inside the walls because of outdoor air leaking into the cavity.  That requires air sealing the exterior sheathing, which is why I wrote this in the last section:

To avoid a wet, rotting house, you need a really good air barrier on the outside of your walls to keep that humid air out.

Unfortunately, that’s hard to do on existing homes.

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By: Thomas Dugan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/10-consequences-keeping-your-home-really-cold-summer/#comment-13411 Thu, 03 Sep 2020 13:15:36 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=10-consequences-of-keeping-your-home-really-cold-in-summer#comment-13411 In reply to Nathan Shirai.

Now this is spooky cool. I
Now this is spooky cool. I was about to add the exact same comment. I install dedicated dehumidifiers in all of my coastal NC homes to supplement the normal HVAC system, keeping RH >50% at all times. It runs occasionally during the cooling months, but really works during the swing or shoulder months when AC is not used or seldom used. In our house, we are comfortably running AC at 77 or 78 degrees (dry heat, Arizona thing), thus taking some load off of the AC system.
As to sealing the exterior, any air movement within the walls is counterproductive and dangerous from a mold perspective. My blower door numbers are in the .5ACH50 range. For air quality, we add a 6″ fresh air duct with filter and temperature/humidity controlled blower set to 120cfm. This fresh air is added into the conditioned attic space to mix with conditioned air prior to entry into living spaces.

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