Comments on: My Duct Systems on Low-Static Mini-Split Air Handlers https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 01 Apr 2021 12:56:51 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Bruce Randall https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13356 Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:28:58 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13356 Thanks for addressing this
Thanks for addressing this type of installation. I have a couple questions. What was your (design) effective duct length on the systems? And your (design) available static pressure after filter and grilles? What was your friction rate? As I design these low static systems in wrightsoft, I lose my friction rate if I have any length at all. If the friction rate falls below .06 don’t I lose control of determining fitting length thus throw the whole design out of whack?

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By: Mark Griffin https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13297 Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:24:20 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13297 Allison,
Allison,
1. How does the system perform when doors are closed to rooms with supplies but no returns?
2. Would you recommend this type of install in a non-encapsulated attic?
3. Is all the ducting in this install done in rigid duct?

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13248 Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:51:02 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13248 In reply to Jon R.

@Jon, not sure where your
@Jon, not sure where your quote came from (not from this article), but the issue you refer to is real, and it’s not necessarily a thermostat/control problem. There are two issues at play… First, the air handler simply may not be able to modulate low enough to provide adequate latent capacity regardless of whose control is used. This is especially true for multi-splits, where there’s an inherent imbalance between blower capacity during single zone calls and minimum compressor capacity.

Not being familiar with the Cielo thermostat and controller, I took a quick look and it apparently mimics the IR commands produced by an OEM hand-held remote, so in that regard, it can’t fix a problem that’s inherent with the equipment.

BTW, other third-party thermostats typically rely on 24VAC relay control as opposed to the proprietary digital controllers sold with mini-splits (and virtually all other variable capacity systems). Relay-based thermostats should not be used to control variable capacity equipment as this forfeits the ability to track room temperature (google PID temperature control). At least the proprietary controller can operate the blower over its full range, whereas all a relay can do is turn the blower on and off.

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By: Jon R https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13245 Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:41:43 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13245 Would be interesting to know
Would be interesting to know if the Cielo Smart thermostat/controller is effective at addressing the “air handler doesn’t modulate as low as the compressor causing lack of dehumidification” problem.

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By: John Thomas https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13233 Sun, 05 Jul 2020 21:48:43 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13233 Do you have an email monthly
Do you have an email monthly ?

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By: Skye Dunning https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13229 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:21:05 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13229 Got one Allison. When I
Got one Allison. When I started doing load calculations back in 2003 and came out on the winning side of the arguments oversizing with the HVAC contractors in our area, the next thing I heard was, “OK but you can’t get the air where you need it.” That was when we started doing duct design.

The most extreme system we have done was a 5500 sq.ft. passive house conditioned with a single 2-ton air handler. Very pretty and worked just fine. That was the only time we’ve had the county inspector ask to see our loads!

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13227 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:37:29 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13227 In reply to Dave Baerg.

Dave, as David Butler already

Dave, as David Butler already pointed out, I was wrong about the pressure drop across the coil and have revised the text above.  The system we’re using, though, is by Mitsubishi:

Outdoor unit:     MXZ-3C24NAHZ2

Air handler 1:     SEZ-KD18NA4

Air handler 2:     SEZ-KD09NA4

You can read more about it in the article I wrote about the load calculation and equipment sizing:

My Undersized Ducted Mini-Split Heat Pump

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13226 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:32:08 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13226 In reply to Richard Clarke.

Richard, no, I haven’t had

Richard, no, I haven’t had that problem.  We went through the whole winter this year and the heating worked fine.  Maybe our ceilings (8 feet high) are lower than yours?

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13225 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 13:28:15 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13225 In reply to David Eakin.

David, you must have missed

David, you must have missed the last paragraph.  That’s where I wrote about our living experience.  I probably will add dehu at some point but I want to see how well the system does without it this summer.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/my-duct-systems-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers/#comment-13224 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:23:43 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=my-duct-systems-on-low-static-mini-split-air-handlers#comment-13224 In reply to David Butler.

D’oh!  That slipped right by

D’oh!  That slipped right by me when I wrote the article.  Yesterday, though, it did occur to me that I’d made that mistake but I didn’t get back here to fix it.  I’ll do so now.

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