Comments on: Making Sense of Energy and Power https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Mon, 23 Jan 2023 23:54:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Chris Edwards https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32573 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 23:01:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32573 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

With a nod to Abbott and Costello: it’s an international system of units of measurement, derived from the metric system. 😀

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By: Chris Edwards https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32572 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 22:56:58 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32572 In reply to Bob Seaton.

Apparently btuh would measure angular momentum. 🙂 I sometimes have to reassure myself that kWh/day is just a measure of (usually average) power.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32570 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 20:18:43 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32570 In reply to RoyC.

Watt is SI.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32569 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 20:11:17 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32569 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

I fully support teaching SI at all educational levels, but not at the expense of IP units. We need both. Our industry uses both, especially, those of us that serve global markets. As for “watts”, that is an IP unit for electricity, it just isn’t used for thermal power.

This is somewhat analogous to schools that quit teaching cursive writing as being outdated. Many schools have regretted that decision and are now putting cursive back in the curriculum.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32568 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 17:31:55 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32568 In reply to RoyC.

Well, K-12 schools, at least around Southeast, have been trying hard to introduce SI units. The dinosaur in the room seems to be the industry. Change is hard.

And yet, for some reason, as Allison already mentioned, we’ve been calling light bulbs in Watts! This SI/IP cacophony is quite unique to the US.

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By: Bob Seaton https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32567 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 15:19:40 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32567 I agree with RoyC — the expression “btuh” is especially egregious. It seems to be meaningless, like kWhh or “foot-pound minutes” or “mile hours” would be meaningless.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32566 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 14:35:03 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32566 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

Would I kid about a thing like this 😉
But seriously, IP units (Inch-Pounds, even the English abandoned them, so we had to rename them) are a fact of life in the U.S., especially in our industry. Almost all engineering schools only teach SI and completely ignore IP. They seem to think that they can help accelerate the transition by doing this, but really it is just laziness. SI units are easier to use and teach. I taught engineering for quite a few years at a major university and all of my classes were dual units. The students didn’t like it, but at least they were better prepared for jobs in the U.S. I have been in industry for quite few more years, and am disappointed that I have to hire new graduates who don’t understand our measurement system.

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By: Chris Edwards https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32565 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 03:26:32 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32565 People do find this confusing, so thank you for addressing it so clearly! The “kW/h” confusion always reminds me of the common use of “24/7” to mean “24×7”. And thank you for using SI units, without which it would probably be even more confusing! (Speaking of which, are there any plans for an SI edition of your new book?)

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32564 Thu, 12 Jan 2023 01:51:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32564 In reply to RoyC.

Superiority of English units? You’re kidding, right?

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/making-sense-of-energy-and-power/#comment-32563 Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:23:19 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7980#comment-32563 Allison,
I am assuming that you will do a follow up on IP units (formerly known as English) for energy and power to show the superiority of these units. Power = Energy (Btu)/Time(hr), i.e., Btu/hr. But then again, some of these IP clowns express it as Btuh which drives me crazy.

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