Comments on: Bad Advice About Indoor Humidity in Cold Weather https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:45:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Rich https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-32424 Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:45:03 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-32424 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Confused about the source of the water the furnace produces. If they don’t destroy water vapor and outside air is dry, where is all the water coming from? Referring to modern 95+% efficiency furnaces used in northern climates. These have two side wall tubes — one input, one output, plus require a floor drain or reservoir with pump to remove the water. Always amazed by the amount of water I see coming out of the drain tube from the furnace. My current system has no duct humidifier or water line leading to the furnace.

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By: charles https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-29623 Wed, 06 Jul 2022 03:22:52 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-29623 In reply to David Butler.

HRV recover heat only. ERVs, the membrane type recover upwards of 82% of the moisture and heat both summer and winter. The right ERV is used in the bath to bring in outside air and exhaust the humidity. Depending on the particular situation, use of an HRV may be better. The best ERVs do not allow odors to pass across the membrane thus providing fresh air to the space and removing odors. This is also a very efficient way to manage CO2. Super tight structures with occupants will soon have an abundance of indoor CO2. You will probably notice this before you notice the moisture. Outside air has a CO2 concentration just above 400 ppm, Exhaled air is at about 40,000 ppm. Demand Control Ventilation DCV has three parts to manage with one system. CO2, Relative Humidity and tVOC or for most of the world that means odors but it can be lots of things.
It has been my experience that most doors and windows themselves are better than the installation issues. Check the gap around them and most have enough unoccupied space to allow massive extraction of air from the space with no appreciable drop in pressure. A foam sealant for doors and windows can greatly reduce the air leakage enabling much better humidity management without compromising buildings or occupants.

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By: LeeH https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-20004 Wed, 09 Feb 2022 02:51:53 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-20004 In reply to Norman Bunn.

10% is not a bad variation for humidity percentage for residential level sensors. Commercial level equipment is somewhat better, but much more expensive and requires yearly recalibration.

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By: Norman Bunn https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-19980 Tue, 08 Feb 2022 16:16:47 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-19980 My problem is getting a good humidity reading. Right now, my Awair unit says the room is at 44%. In the same room, my Ambient Weather sensor says 42%. Next to that my ThermPro unit says 40%. That’s a 10% variation and it is much worse in the summer.

I had a similar issue with temperature readings on these and the thermostat. Eventually, I took an guesstimated average to determine the appropriate offset for the thermostat. Now they are all four in the ballpark as far as temperature readings.

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By: Dominic https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-18744 Sun, 09 Jan 2022 22:10:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-18744 Thanks for the good info. My house is heated with 100% wood and the air leakage from a 1980’s house actually helps the wood stove create a draft and function properly. The downside is that using the wood stove brings in dry outside air, thus I have a cold humidifier add enough moisture to give 35-40% makeup moisture. The cold style humidifier uses very little energy and does not have to heat the water to create water vapor.

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By: Jean https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-18092 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 21:58:32 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-18092 In reply to Fred Bacher.

I had gas for years and loved it but my new (lifetime) favorite appliance is my Dacor induction cooktop. Super fast and responsive and so easy to clean. Gas wasn’t an option at our newly built house and I have no regrets.

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By: Fred Bacher https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-18087 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:08:01 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-18087 I think anything that generates small particulates that can get down in your lungs can’t be good and that is true of cooking especially with natural gas (lots of by products other than CO, etc). I try to get my wife to use the hood for that reason but she is stubborn about the noise, lol. One day I’ll convert to electric and we usually use the smaller table top electric oven. And I still have gas furnace (98% eff) and on demand gas water heater. I’ll go to electric when and if this water heater about the time I put in a new larger solar panel system. I’ve had solar since 2006 and my Prius Prime is used mostly in electric mode. My solar panels are going on 16 yrs old and still able to produce 16+ kW-hr on a good day and zero out my bill. Since we hardly use the oven portion of the stove there’s only the burners to worry about and we have a pretty good hood that we use when it’s in use. My wife really doesn’t like cooking on an electric stove but maybe new ones are a lot better.

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By: LeeH https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-18085 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 18:14:23 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-18085 In reply to Fred Bacher.

Fred, I was just reading your comment about the minerals we breathe from humidifiers showing up in the products of combustion from your gas cooktop. Wondering which is worse the minerals or the products of combustion?

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By: Fred Bacher https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-18080 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 15:31:17 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-18080 In reply to Kristof Irwin.

Yes but RO water is just not good enough. It is 15-30 ppm and puts a bunch of minerals into your air and lungs. It was enough in my house that it showed up as yellow gas burners on the stove. I take RO water and put it thru one of these zero filters. RO water extends the filter life and I end up with 0 ppm and proof for me was that the gas burners went back to bright blue. Less dust too and more healthy for the home occupants as well.

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By: Kristof Irwin https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/bad-advice-about-indoor-humidity-in-cold-weather/#comment-18069 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 03:52:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6800#comment-18069 Beyond climate and RH, the water and type of humidifier matters too. Use only clean water (RO or distilled) in ultrasonic humidifiers. Otherwise mineralized aerosols/PM can be generated. It may be OK to drink minerals, but it’s not healthy to breathe them. https://www.technologynetworks.com/applied-sciences/articles/the-close-to-home-issue-of-humidifiers-and-indoor-air-quality-341176

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