Comments on: The Struggle to Update Georgia’s Energy Code https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:37:52 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Mark https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-13537 Thu, 22 Oct 2020 15:21:08 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-13537 Allison, I’m hoping you can
Allison, I’m hoping you can help me understand something about the history of the Georgia energy codes. I am trying to understand how Georgia houses would have been built in the 2014-2019 timeframe. If I understand correctly during that time Georgia was using IRC 2012 which required mechanical ventilation but was referencing IECC 2009 for Residential Energy Efficiency and had amended it to require envelope air sealing to less than 7 ACH. If a house tested at 6.9 ACH and was still required to have mechanical ventilation that would be too much outside air. Am I missing something?

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By: Michael https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-11224 Fri, 19 Jan 2018 04:32:14 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-11224 As an inspector I see these
As an inspector I see these homes getting below 5 pretty easily. sealing up frame joints and caulking around drywall penetrations. I think the bigger part is the cost of a mechanical ventilation system. I see most of these guys will take a duct and run it from the return to the soffit and draw air in that way. Wrong or right almost all of the production builders do this. Their counter is …. its mechanical and we put a damper on it to only open when needed.
*deer in headlights stare*

I think they would be more receptive of it if some one came out and said here this is what you need and this is what it adds on the bottom line. They think it will add thousands and thousands and the house wont sell. When in reality … it wont cost nearly half of what they think. the house will still sell and the buyer will sing their praise for how cheap it is to heat and cool their home and how wonderful the air feels.

They block good things for no real reason because even if a house costs 5,000 dollars more …. no one is gonna care. But that can significantly change their heating cooling and comfort in the home which ultimately helps everyone with power consumption. Mr builder don’t you want to say “I’m the best because your gonna love not paying so much to heat/cool your home. And in our perfectly designed HVAC system your going to breathe better and live better.” That 5,000 uptick in cost….. nothing. Oh wait, you made more money because more people bought your homes, I’M sorry.

Its a shame they don’t use their heads for more than a hat-rack.

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By: John https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10710 Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:31:28 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10710 I keep hearing about how
I keep hearing about how Georgia has required blower door tests, but as far as I know, Gwinnett has not been doing them for a while. My house permit got approved January this year and I don’t think it will have the test (i did notice the foamy ?air seal? spray between lots of joints).

https://www.gwinnettcounty.com/static/departments/planning%20/News_and_Notices/Notice_bldg_inspections_insulation_inspection_201612.pdf

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By: Ed Foskey https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10467 Fri, 05 May 2017 00:22:34 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10467 Has Georgia considered a HERS
Has Georgia considered a HERS rating alternative, using a performance path, rather than a strictly prescriptive path?

For example, as an alternative, a builder may choose a lower efficiency heating/cooling system but offset that with better insulation and windows, etc. Or a builder may use minimal insulation, and have 6 or 7 or 8 ACH50, but have low duct leakage to outside with the ducts in conditioned space, etc, and put in a heat pump water heater as offset?

I am not arguing against lower ACH50, necessarily, but setting up certain ventilation systems in Georgia tend to FORCE the need for additional dehumidification with both requiring increases in energy usage. Seen it too many times in my work. I am still not sure what a good, low cost (to run and/or install) ventilation/dehumidification system is for a fairly large house in a 9 month high humidity climate. I am very open to suggestions–as are my clients.

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By: Sean @ SLSCBS https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10426 Tue, 02 May 2017 11:56:54 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10426 Heh I feel your pain, we are
Heh I feel your pain, we are locked into 5 up here even though many are siting at 3 or better
Curious about duct testing; I figured that would be a bigger sticking point going from a tiered system to a flat 3 or 4% whether rough or final

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10424 Mon, 01 May 2017 19:23:50 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10424 In reply to JC.

JC, here are my answers:

JC, here are my answers:

1. Yes, you absolutely can hit 5 ACH50 with house wrap. See this article with test results from a project I worked on in 2011:

Does Your Air Barrier Work in Both Directions?
http://energyvanguard.com/blog-building-science-HERS-BPI/bid/59648/Does-Your-Air-Barrier-Work-in-Both-Directions

It’s rare to see house wrap installed well, however, so while possible, it doesn’t happen often.

2. Yes, the 2015 IECC does require better insulated walls in climate zones 3 and 4, either 2×6 with R-20 cavity insulation or 2×4 with R-13 cavity insulation + R-5 continuous insulation. Climate zone 2 is still allowed to have R-13. Unfortunately, this was one of the things that’s not going to make into our Georgia code. It’ll remain R-13 statewide. You gotta pick your battles and that was one we decided to let go.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10423 Mon, 01 May 2017 19:16:06 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10423 In reply to Garry Whelan.

Gerry Whelan wrote:

Gerry Whelan wrote:

There needs to be more value placed upon the performance of a building rather than granite counter tops – and that is with both the builder and the buyer.

Hear, hear! That’s what I’ve been preaching here for a long time.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10422 Mon, 01 May 2017 19:14:43 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10422 In reply to Thomas Dugan.

Well, that’s a bit of an

Well, that’s a bit of an exaggeration, Thomas, but you’re right that 7 ACH50 isn’t a place to stay. It’s a starting point. It’s the training wheels for air sealing. We’ve been there for six years now; it’s time to move on. Spray foam and concrete wall panels are one way to get there. Taped sheathing and fluid-applied membranes also work, as do many other techniques. I built a house out of structural insulated panels and hit 1.7 ACH50 — before I’d ever done or even seen a blower door test.

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By: Garry Whelan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10421 Mon, 01 May 2017 17:26:50 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10421 In reply to Thomas Dugan.

I would not say that concrete
I would not say that concrete is the way forward from stick framing in order to deal with a joint issue. That would ignore the embodied energy and all the other (very weighty) differences between the two materials. There needs to be more value placed upon the performance of a building rather than granite counter tops – and that is with both the builder and the buyer.
Other nations build better buildings using the same materials. The American domestic construction market gets away with square footage and kerbside appeal over performance and longevity.

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By: abailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/struggle-update-georgias-energy-code/#comment-10420 Mon, 01 May 2017 17:00:45 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-struggle-to-update-georgias-energy-code#comment-10420 In reply to Mike Berry.

Mike, I just heard last week

Mike, I just heard last week about your 3 ACH50 rule for requiring ventilation. I think the reason behind that is moisture because almost anytime you bring in outdoor air in Florida homes, you’re also bringing in a good amount of water vapor. Still, it’s possible to ventilate less airtight houses without having moisture problems. It might mean supplemental dehumidification, but that’s what happens in a humid climate when you kill off a lot of the sensible load.

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