Comments on: The Best Way to Cool Your Attic https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:46:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: DCE https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-10003 Mon, 04 Jul 2016 05:53:28 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-10003 Bob – you need an “over roof”
Bob – you need an “over roof” and BSC can answer this issue: http://buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-063-over-roofing

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By: Bob MannIng https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-10002 Mon, 04 Jul 2016 01:20:44 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-10002 I have a house in the north
I have a house in the north with an exposed-beam cathedral ceiling and asphalt shingle roof. Needless to say the distance from inside conditioned space to outside is only measured in inches. The house faces east-west. I am wondering if it would be beneficial to install a metal roof over the existing roof? What if I included an air space between the old and new? Additionally, what about a damper at the top to open/close air convection in summer/winter? I would only put it on the back, west, face to maintain the appearance from the street. Any comments?

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-10001 Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:28:21 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-10001 @Heather, not nearly enough
@Heather, not nearly enough information to make recommendations but here are some general comments…

Even under the best circumstances, attic bonus rooms are hard to cool, especially in older homes that cannot easily be air sealed.

Bonus rooms typically have sloped ceilings and and attic-facing knee-walls. A critical detail is to build the knee-walls so they can be air sealed. This requires a top plate or blocking as well as a back on the wall so each stud cavity is enclosed on all six sides.

The other critical detail is getting adequate insulation in the slopes, while allowing space for ventilation between insulation and roof. This is almost impossible to achieve without furring down the ceiling in order to increase the rafter bay depth.

These challenges go away if the entire roof is insulated, typically by applying spray foam insulation to the underside of the roof deck. This brings the entire attic into conditioned space, and thus the knee-walls do not have to be air sealed or insulated. Furring down the slopes can often be avoided by using high density closed cell foam.

As for conditioning the space… it may be possible to use your existing central AC, but only if your system has excess capacity and there’s a way to route adequately sized supply ducts to the rooms. $3k for a separate system sounds very low when you consider what’s involved in installing a new duct system.

A couple of ductless mini-split heat pumps would be the least expensive option if you don’t want window units and don’t mind if the stair landing and bathroom get hot. But I don’t know any competent contractor who would install two mini’s for $3k.

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By: Heather Vanskiver https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-10000 Thu, 23 Jun 2016 06:53:18 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-10000 House was built in 1906 and
House was built in 1906 and now has a new shingle roof. The attic space was nearly 10′ high so we reclaimed the space for a new half bath and two bedrooms, essentially creating a functional upstairs. Probably is the rooms are HOT! The shingle roof is right overhead. Each upstairs room has sufficient air vents but apparently the shape of our stairwell allows heat to head upstairs and swelter anyone who sleeps up there. Any suggestions?? Our HVAC guy offered us a second 3,000$ unit for just the upstairs. Please say there’s another way! We’ve got new windows being installed for those rooms but I was really hoping to not hang units out of those since the windows are so small. Any suggestions would be appreciated!

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-9999 Fri, 22 Apr 2016 02:05:14 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-9999 In reply to David Butler.

@Steve, your problem appears
@Steve, your problem appears to be with the design of your HVAC system. Some states now prohibit a single system for two floors unless there’s an automatic zone control system. And even that’s a challenge to get right.

Without knowing a lot more about the design of your house, and where the weak points are, it’s hard to say how best to improve your situation. Your electric bills actually sound pretty high to me for a house that size in central TX, but I don’t know how much you pay for electricity. The usual suspect is leakage at the ceiling plane and any knee-walls. Reverse stack effect (in hot weather) will create a highway of hot air from your attic into the house, especially the upstairs. The opposite happens in cold weather, thus your improved temperature balance in winter.

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By: Steve Kohn https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-9998 Thu, 21 Apr 2016 23:25:49 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-9998 In reply to David Butler.

David and Rhonda — You’re
David and Rhonda — You’re talking about what I’ve been considering.

Some background:
1. 2-story house, built 2008, about 2900 sq ft, San Antonio (hot, humid summers, mild winters), with good insulation as indicated by low electric bills (no higher than $175) in summer or winter months.
2. Carrier heat pump, 14 SEER, works just fine.
3. In late winter/early spring, we can go weeks and weeks without using either the A/C or heater by opening windows at night to cool the house, then closing them in the morning to keep the house cool. But while downstairs is just right, upstairs is, I’m guessing, 5 to 10 degrees warmer.

I figure if I can fix that, I can also reduce the load on the A/C in the summer, when temps can be above 95 from July through September.

So … radiant barriers aren’t worth it, huh? Didn’t seem to me either, and your post convinces me now (without even adding the cost of fixing ceilings workers fell through).

Replacing an 8-year-old roof surely isn’t worth it.

Until now we’ve closed, a little, the vents downstairs while leaving the upstairs wide open. Helps some, but not really enough. Ends up making downstairs, where we mostly live, uncomfortable.

It’s just occurred to me: temps upstairs are fine in winter. That is, if it’s 70 downstairs, it’s about the same upstairs. It’s only when the sun is bright that the temperature difference is felt. That’s telling me the reason the upstairs gets hot is because of heat transfer from the roof/attic. (I need to put my hand on the upstairs ceiling and feel if the ceiling is warm or not.)

Any input would be welcomed.

Thanks.

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By: Greg https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-9113 Sun, 13 Mar 2016 02:52:41 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-9113 Just read your article and
Just read your article and after a couple of months of research have to say I agree with what you say. Several months ago I re-connected my attic fan after finding that it had been disconnected by the person who repaired the outside wall. After researching about how to cool my attic, I realized he had not “neglected” to re-connect the fan, he had left it intentionally. I went back into the attic a few days ago and unplugged it again. Now I don’t know what to do. I have a 2 story barn style house built in the late 60’s with not a lot of cellulose left in the attic. It has a wood burning heater but not for real heat. The house is total electric and I have been installing through the wall heat pumps for comfort. With the barn style roof, there are no soffit vents. There are two turbine vents and two small gable vents. Since this is NE Alabama, it is hot and humid in the summer. I want to air seal my ceiling but with the heater, wiring and recessed lighting don’t know how successful that will be. I thought I wanted a radiant barrier even though it will be a pain to install. After reading your article I think a reflective metal roof would be a better choice. Since I have through the wall heat pumps, would I be better off to spray foam/air seal my attic and turn it into a conditioned space and put a metal roof on? Should I put the metal roof on with a ridge vent and have the roof edge vents installed and blow in more cellulose. Looks like I have decided I want a reflective metal roof, just don’t know whether to make the attic breath better or to close it off altogether. Thank you for any insight you offer. greg

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-9112 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 22:34:41 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-9112 In reply to Rhonda Franklin.

@Rhonda, retrofitting a
@Rhonda, retrofitting a radiant barrier on an existing home is expensive, especially the labor. With prices exceeding 50 cents per ft2, there’s no way a RB will save enough to justify the cost. Even in new construction where RB-faced sheathing only adds about 10 cents per ft2 to the roof, the payback is marginal except in the hottest locations in the US.

You’re much better off having your ceilings air sealed, insulation upgraded, and ducts sealed than spending thousands to have someone staple RB to the underside of your roof deck.

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By: Rhonda Franklin https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-9111 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 02:40:45 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-9111 For a lot of homeowners out
For a lot of homeowners out there, a metal roof is not an option due to existing homeowner association (HOA) guidelines. In those cases, you can’t go wrong with using a quality radiant barrier stapled to the underside of the roof rafters in the unconditioned attic space. It’s definitely the next best thing.

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By: Dac C https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic/#comment-9110 Sat, 03 Oct 2015 06:26:32 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=the-best-way-to-cool-your-attic#comment-9110 Thanks for all the
Thanks for all the information you share here. As a builder, it gives me great food for thought as to how to improve what I do. It’s amazing how much crap you get from some of these posts. Keep up the good work.

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