Comments on: Mechanical Room Duct Obstructions https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Mon, 25 Dec 2023 13:51:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Steven Graves https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36474 Mon, 25 Dec 2023 13:51:41 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36474 Re: Allison’s stairway/beam conundrum, perhaps you could go with two smaller zones, one on each side of the stairway which would require two mechanical rooms.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36428 Thu, 21 Dec 2023 02:32:17 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36428 In reply to Dale.

As you tighten and insulate the envelope (beyond code minimums), the “correct” throw diminishes in value.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36420 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:32:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36420 In reply to Dale.

Dale, you addressed ventilation and dehumidification, but what about filtration? I am just saying that a good forced-air system can provide all of these HVAC functions at a lower installed cost and better operating efficiency than having separate hydronic and forced-air systems for these functions.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36419 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 16:28:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36419 In reply to Dale.

Dale, I understand the need for “throw” in commercial systems serving large spaces, but is it really necessary for residential applications? Even if it is important, it is the velocity at the register that determines throw, not the velocity in the duct.

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By: Dale https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36391 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 19:56:31 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36391 In reply to Mike.

Mike,
So the Rheia system is basically a high velocity duct system like Unico. Is that correct?

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By: Dale https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36390 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 19:49:16 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36390 In reply to RoyC.

Roy,
Yes handling air is necessary for dehumidification and for ventilation which is the proper job of dedicated ventilation and de-humidification systems.
Dehumidification is something that traditional hvac systems provide only as an side effect that is often at odds with sensible cooling. Ventilation is a function that conventional hvac systems don’t address at all. Or they do Mickey Mouse things like putting a duct from a furnace or heat pump return to the outside and call it ventilation. Pretty pathetic.

Neither application has a lot to do with heating and cooling. The real trick is to find ways of decoupling these otherwise disparate functions. That is what is done in commercial HVAC systems and what I practice in my work.

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By: Dale https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36388 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 19:36:01 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36388 In reply to RoyC.

Roy
I don’t know what the flow rate is for the very small diameter ductwork they are showing but the duct size alone would dictate that the velocity in the duct be somewhat high. They do show an awful lot of such small diameter ductwork so maybe they are just dividing a larger flow into many parallel streams that converge at the register. Providing the registers with the appropriate flow to provide the correct throw and spread with low noise is the objective.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36386 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:52:17 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36386 In reply to Dale.

Dale, maybe you can heat and cool without moving air, but it is hard to dehumidify, ventilate, or filter without moving air. Thus, I am not a fan of hydronic radiant or baseboard systems.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36385 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:47:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36385 In reply to Mike.

Mike, thanks for the feedback. How does the cost compare?

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/mechanical-room-duct-obstructions/#comment-36345 Mon, 18 Dec 2023 14:49:58 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8725#comment-36345 In reply to Dale.

Hi Dale: I don’t think Rheia is necessarily promoting “high velocity” ductwork like Unico, at least I don’t see that in their literature. I believe that they are saying that you can use more small ducts rather than fewer large ducts to make installation easier. I hope they are not promoting the high static pressures required by Unico systems.

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