Comments on: Ionizer Company Sues Indoor Air Quality Expert https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Fri, 11 Nov 2022 02:58:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32281 Fri, 11 Nov 2022 02:58:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32281 In reply to Bucky Adkins.

Bucky: There’s a difference between anecdotal evidence based on a sample of one and how well something actually works.

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By: Bucky Adkins https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32280 Thu, 10 Nov 2022 23:57:47 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32280 In reply to Allison Bailes.

I have enjoyed the fact that I have not been sick a single day over the past 13 years I have had NPBI in my home, office and truck – not one single day. You people are way, way, way off base, underinformed and searching for a problem which does not exists – searching for a cause. NPBI is the best thing that has come along since the Polio vaccine in my estimation and GPS should be awarded the Nobel Prize – not kidding. NPBI is a replication and simple acceleration of nature’s natural cleansing process with nothing else added. Thus, If you have an issue with NPBI you have an issue with nature. Simple as that. There is nothing else on this planet that compares.

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By: David Williams https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32164 Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:31:48 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32164 In reply to Cindi.

What I find objectionable is that the removal of contamination using this technology has not been scientifically tested in real world commercial sized (i.e. full scale) conditions. Most importantly, the various manufacturers and distributors that sell this sort of product has marketed the product in such a way to capture funding from organizations that could be used for implement equipment or operational changes that are demonstrated to reduce contamination in occupied spaces.

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By: Cindi https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32163 Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:26:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32163 I stand by my original comment.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32162 Wed, 26 Oct 2022 18:12:09 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32162 In reply to Cindi.

Cindi: Here’s an article I wrote about why you should avoid most electronic air cleaners. The ones to avoid are what’s referred to as additive air cleaners, those that add ions, oxidizing agents, or ozone.

https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/2-reasons-to-avoid-most-electronic-air-cleaners/

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By: Cindi https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32161 Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:54:08 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32161 In reply to David Williams.

The article isn’t really specific. Is it specifically putting them in air ducts that you find to be questionable? Or is it advocating the use of it as a single solution solve your indoor air quality issues, instead of recognizing the many other things you should be doing?

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By: David Williams https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32157 Wed, 26 Oct 2022 13:13:47 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32157 Small spaces with in-room ionization is a totally different thing than we are talking about with this thread. That being said, some residential type units can produce excessive ionized particles that can be hazardous to the delicate tissues of the nose, throat, and lungs.

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By: Cindi https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32137 Tue, 25 Oct 2022 21:06:52 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32137 I don’t know the technology of GPS and what the third party reports say about it. But I (and others in my family) am massively mold sensitive and we use another brand with multiple forms of ionization. When we are stuck temporarily in moldy spaces (like hotel rooms or other people’s houses), I can say without a shadow of a doubt that they significantly reduce our symptoms.

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By: Matthew Martinez https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32033 Thu, 13 Oct 2022 02:30:42 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32033 I first encountered GPS a few years back, before COVID, when an iffy mechanical sub was proposing needlepoint BPI in lieu of sufficient outside air. The IAQ “calculation” provided indicated the BPI would reduce all sorts of indoor contaminants below baseline levels. The only thing they did not claim would be reduced was CO2 (of course). Their calculation asserted that a CO2 level of 5000 PPM was “acceptable” because it is the exposure limit (and also cited some naval standard for SUBMARINES).

I fought hard against it and the engineer who was proposing it. He even said that he had used it to reduce OA in dozens of schools with no issues…the poor kids!

After that, I was always extremely suspicious of the claims. It seemed very quickly after that, most equipment suppliers in my area began representing an ionization company. Until ASHRAE publishes official guidance indicating the widespread use/adoption of the tech is warranted, I am staying away.

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By: Don Largent https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/ionizer-company-sues-indoor-air-quality-expert/#comment-32019 Tue, 11 Oct 2022 16:29:03 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7801#comment-32019 If ionization technology was as effective as the proponents who sell it claim, why do they adamantly refuse to coordinate with industry experts to develop an industry driven testing method to which most everyone can agree has validity? Ionization has been around for decades, yet it is so mysterious, no standard test can quantify its performance? I understand how those who weren’t educated in contamination control were enticed for a cost-effective, readily available solution; however, there were plenty of sales folks in the industry, some reputable, who turned a blind eye to make a buck as well…funny how that aspect is somewhat overlooked.

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