Comments on: When Is the Humidity Low Enough to Open the Windows? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 22 Sep 2022 20:16:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-27027 Fri, 13 May 2022 10:47:18 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-27027 In reply to Emily.

Emily: A quick way to make the call would be to look at the outdoor dew point temperature, yes. If it’s below about 15 °C, it’s not a problem to open the windows.

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By: Emily https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-26994 Fri, 13 May 2022 03:17:17 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-26994 Ok so I’m trying to wrap my head around this – is there a quick rule to answer the windows question? I.e. are we saying:
when indoor dew point > outdoor dew point = open windows
but if indoor dew point < outdoor dew point = close windows

(goal is to decrease moisture inside!)

Thanks for the help – posted from the very wet la niña in eastern Australia!

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By: Chris Edwards https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-25021 Thu, 31 Mar 2022 04:17:16 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-25021 In reply to Ken Larsen.

I’d also add that negative indoor pressure can be undesirable because it can draw crawl space air (with all the attendant damp, spores, smells, radon, etc.) into the occupied space.

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By: Chris Edwards https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-24974 Tue, 29 Mar 2022 02:31:35 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-24974 In reply to Allison Bailes.

I find myself referring to dpcalc.org often! I believe mould risk is also a function of temperature – at very high or very low temperatures it cannot grow, regardless of availability of moisture – but in this case, I agree that it’s the low RH that makes it low risk.

I’d add that indoor dew point can be a useful metric when trying to avoid winter condensation on surfaces such as aluminium window frames with no thermal break (common here in New Zealand). But even if you avoid condensation, the RH near the cold surface can still increase to the point where mould can set up shop. Without ventilation, it can be a challenge to keep the indoor dew point low enough. Of course, if you do have MVHR, the dry outdoor air in winter really works in your favour!

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By: Chris Edwards https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-24972 Tue, 29 Mar 2022 02:12:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-24972 In reply to LeeH.

Excellent observation – I’ve certainly found that heating indoor spaces generally raises the dew point, sometimes considerably. I wonder if Joe Lstiburek would call this “accidental humidification”. 🙂

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-17842 Tue, 23 Nov 2021 16:14:08 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-17842 In reply to Tom.

Tom, I tell people all the time that 55° F is a special number for air conditioned spaces in humid climates. That’s the dew point temperature for air at 75° F and 50% relative humidity.

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By: Tom https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-17827 Mon, 22 Nov 2021 20:33:41 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-17827 It’s no coincidence that the typical target for supply air temperature when cooling is 55F/13C.

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By: Deniz Erkan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-17560 Fri, 05 Nov 2021 04:42:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-17560 In reply to David Eakin.

I live in SoCal and in Europe before that, where opening windows was considered quite normal albeit oldschool. This article about dewpoints is excellent for when I want to humidify or dehumidify the house, heat it or cool it, or some combination. Closing the windows when we leave is not much more effort than opening them. In a strange way I feel good about opening windows, just like I do about using my car’s horn, or functional buttons on a suit sleeve: They seem to exist for a reason. To me this feels like a feature of the house.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-17354 Sun, 17 Oct 2021 03:17:48 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-17354 In reply to Ken Larsen.

@Ken, if conditions are appropriate to open windows and operate a fan, I don’t think we have to worry about condensation due to cold sheathing 😉

When talking about year-round ventilation design, supply ventilation (positive pressure) pressure is preferred over exhaust ventilation in warm & mixed humid climates like Allison’s (Georgia) so as to avoid condensation on back of drywall in summer. Conversely, exhaust ventilation is preferred in cold climates so as to avoid condensation on back of exterior sheathing in winter (and also why we want some insulation outboard of sheathing, and why vapor retarder goes on warm side in both warm-humid and cold climates).

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By: Ken Larsen https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/when-is-the-humidity-low-enough-to-open-the-windows/#comment-17352 Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:59:25 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6580#comment-17352 I totally agree with the message in this article. Well done!

However, rather than taking a fan and driving the drier outdoor air into the building, (thus positively pressurizing the wetter indoor air), I would configure a strategy that pumps the wetter indoor air to the outside.

If you positively pressurize the wetter indoor environment… it can be driven into the exterior cavities and in some cases, encounter the cold exterior sheathing and condense. That’s not good.

But under negative pressure… no issues are created.

Good message though!

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