Comments on: Do You Really Need to Run the Bath Fan in Winter? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:19:53 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Peter Hornberger https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-12678 Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:12:31 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-12678 Hi. I live in a high ranch
Hi. I live in a high ranch (built in 1969) southern NY, climate zone 5. We are in our second year of the house. It is poorly insulated (the walls are probably R5) but we just had attic air sealing work done and insulation added. Our blower door number is about 2,000cfm down from 3,400cfm.

We recently added a bath fan in each of our upstairs bathrooms. We have gas powered baseboard heat. I would like to know if I’m my situation it is ok for us to shower without using the fans in the winter, especially when it is less than 20degrees or when there is significant snow on the roof (where the fans vent). We do have single pane windows that get significant condensation after showers and after dishwasher runs. But I hate the idea of wasting energy by removing hot air from the house and replacing it with cold air from the outside. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks

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By: Clyde Mitchell https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11979 Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:21:48 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11979 In the winter, you gonna need
In the winter, you gonna need it even more, especially if your bathroom does not have a window. Without the exhaust fan, there is no chance the moisture can get out, right? Which means foggy mirror and eventually molds on the wall of the bathroom. For a healthy living environment, it is a must irrespective of the season. so install it now!

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By: Steven Noakes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11421 Mon, 04 Jun 2018 02:55:02 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11421 If you have a shower with a
If you have a shower with a water temperature that does not create steam then will this raise the RH?

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By: jc https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11268 Wed, 07 Feb 2018 13:31:29 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11268 In reply to abailes.

Allison,
Allison,

Two quick questions.

No 1: Regarding winter time condensation. I walked through a new townhome development in Vinings (I-285 & Atlanta Rd) and these particular buildings have flat roofs due to the skyline view of downtown Atlanta. It looks like the builder is going to use batt insulation underneath the roof decking so I couldn’t help but wonder about the potential for winter time condensation forming on the underside of sheathing via voids between the batts. I’m guessing that the builder isn’t going to use spray foam because the flex duct has already been installed (btw..you have to see the contortions in flex duct, I have photos but can’t post them).

No 2: Some of these unit will have a partially enclosed as living space on the roof so the builder adds a small dedicated HVAC system in a closet where access is via and exterior louvered* door. Is that a good idea? Is that even code in Ga?

*There’s a small louvered section at the bottom half of the door.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11250 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:10:22 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11250 In reply to Peter Tran.

Peter, that leads to yet
Peter, that leads to yet another issue. We only take showers. Our current shower has two shower heads and could accommodate two people . . . However, both my wife and I hate baths. Our current house, as well as our previous two houses had whirlpool tubs that we never used. I have seen studies that few people use tubs today, but everyone thinks that you still need them for resale value.

As for shower cleaning practices, I have come up with a door opening strategy for that. I generally think that the door should be left open after a shower so that it dries as quickly as possibly and reduces the chance of mold growth. However, every time the water in a shower evaporates, it leaves some hard water residue behind. Thus, if my wife is going to take a shower soon after me, I leave the door closed so that it doesn’t dry out since it takes about 24 hours for mold growth to start on a wet surface. My wife goes even farther and uses a squeegee on the walls after her shower. Since I am usually the first person in the shower each morning, this works well.

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11249 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:07:26 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11249 In reply to Mark Johnson.

@Mark, the ‘steam’ rising
@Mark, the ‘steam’ rising from the shower has a dew point higher than 75F. But to your point, when outdoor dew point is that high, it would make sense to turn off the fan as you exit the shower.

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By: Jeremy Good https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11248 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:52:27 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11248 For years I kept a small
For years I kept a small electric heater in the bathroom and would use it while showering in the winter. And leave the fan off in most cases. That reduced or eliminated condensation on walls and made the bathroom a little more comfortable. Also, it made the air in the bathroom more “energetic”, ensuring quicker drying when the door was opened.

Now I have a house with radiators, which is even better! (As long as the boiler has run recently.)

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By: Peter Tran https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11247 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:30:15 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11247 In reply to RoyC.

RoyC – this is a funny
RoyC – this is a funny comment. We’re buying a new house and it has the same open shower concept in the master bathroom. It looks beautiful. You realize that you’re suppose to run the shower for 30+ minutes to actually warm up the entire bathroom before you take your shower during the winter. I’m also learning towards never ever using that for the intended purpose which is to take a shower. It would be too much to clean afterwards. There’s only one good reason to use that shower in the master bathroom, and let’s just say I can’t share that reason in a public forum. 😉

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11246 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:43:07 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11246 One more comment. Where
One more comment. Where should the exhaust fan be located? Obviously in the ceiling, but I claim that it should be directly over the shower stall. Why would you not get as close to the source as possible? I have rarely seen that done, and have asked some builders why they don’t install it over the shower, and they claim that it is too humid and will shorten the life of the fan! I have asked at least one exhaust fan manufacturer about that, and he said that it is not a problem.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/do-you-really-need-run-bath-fan-winter/#comment-11245 Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:38:48 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=do-you-really-need-to-run-the-bath-fan-in-winter#comment-11245 On a related issue, what
On a related issue, what about walk-in showers with no doors? I have seen that more frequently in new construction, and recently bought a house with a door-less shower in the master bath. What a stupid idea! First of all, there is a constant recirculation of air between the shower and the rest of the bathroom, so it feels uncomfortably cool while you are in the shower. Second of all, this humid air fills the whole bathroom from floor to ceiling, so I am sure that the incremental humidity load on the house is much higher. I couldn’t stand it, so I had a glass shower door installed, and everything was better–more comfortable (warmer) showers and much less condensation in the bathroom.

Also, I keep a humidity sensor in my bathroom. I have found that if the RH in the bathroom is less than 30% before the shower, I can skip running the exhaust fan at all, and there is no apparent condensation anywhere after the shower.

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