Comments on: Air Conditioner Sizing: Load Calculations vs Rules of Thumb https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Sun, 07 May 2023 22:41:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-33424 Sun, 07 May 2023 22:41:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-33424 In reply to Jennifer F.

Jennifer: We do that. Just click the link for “HVAC Design” at the top of the page, which I’m also putting here:

https://www.energyvanguard.com/hvac-design/

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By: Jennifer F https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-33422 Sun, 07 May 2023 15:39:42 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-33422 Great subject and very informative. Just what I’ve been dying to know about! Thanks for your article.

My husband and I are building our retirement home in Athens, TN (that’s east TN btwn Chattanooga and Knoxville). We are working with a GC who fills in the disciplines we haven’t bought out ourselves. We are at the point of getting down to business with regard to the hvac. There are plenty of installers around and even more opinions as to what would be the best option for our heating/cooling needs. Most are based on the rule of thumb method which just doesn’t satisfy our curious nature’s!
Each of us are engineers: he’s electrical, I’m civil — we picked the wrong disciplines for this question! We would like to get legitimate load analysis report (manual J) to properly size equipment, and recommendations as to best options to heat/cool this building efficiently. We have cheap electricity (TVA) and natural gas available. We want to use natural gas for heat. Water will be by rainwater harvest and underground cisterns for primary water source (well and public water options are cost prohibitive).
We feel it would be worthwhile to get an independent hvac analysis, system recommendations, sizing and specifications and then request quotes for implementation. Where would you recommend we look for a reputable technical group for this service? Following are a few details regarding the build:
It is a 2 story log cabin (~2100 sft)
-Full basement: unconditioned space, 12 ft ceiling including 24-in trusses between basement and 1st floor.
-First floor: 9 ft ceilings throughout the first floor with 16 inch truss space between first and second floor (no great room feature opening to second floor). The exterior wall logs are 6-in deep white pine. North and South facing covered porches the length of the house.
-Second floor: vaulted ceiling follows roof pitch: primary 10:12 with 3:12 shed dormer the length of the back, south facing wall. Exterior walls are stick frame 2 x 6-in (4-in are adequate though), with cedar board and batt exterior, log siding interior walls (1/2 log applied to 2 x 6 ext. framing).
Thanks for any thoughts/recommendations on the matter,
Jennifer

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By: Kevin Ross https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-30845 Mon, 08 Aug 2022 01:29:51 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-30845 Thanks for your update on load calculations vs rules of thumb, and the apparently rampant oversizing in AC! However your cooling load chart leaves me unsure whether 500 SF/ton is plausibly correct near the high end of the range of design temperatures (90 to 116) of the data points used to construct the chart. While it seems obviously wrong to apply the same rule of thumb across the USA, where I live, in the heart of central California’s San Joaquin Valley, the temp exceeds 105 a few days each summer. Could you plot your calculated cooling load (SF/ton) data vs design temperature? Has someone already done this, or otherwise used Manual J calculations in various climates to get an improved rule of thumb / “sanity check” relating SF/ton to design temperature in “newer houses”.

Also, what qualifies as “newer” or what insulation specs does this imply? My home was built in 1999 but about all I know about it is that it has dual pane windows.

Thanks for any advice, and thanks for your education efforts!

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By: Tom Turner https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-29785 Sat, 09 Jul 2022 15:31:37 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-29785 Thanks Allison for another fine paper that exposes the problem with oversizing. If we paid attention to air flow requirements for Manual S, D and T (stop using nominal tonnage on the packaging) we would have properly sized efficient comfortable homes.

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By: Norman Young https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-29595 Tue, 05 Jul 2022 06:33:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-29595 Allison, thanks for the broad insight of sizing a/c systems. It strikes home because my sister-in-law(and her husband) are building a home next to ours as I speak. I’m going to ask what the a/c sizing is because the construction is ICF(insulated concrete form) and that will undoubtedly have a bearing on it.
Another factor and one that was NOT discussed is that of the Value and Function of the powered attic ventilation
with regard to the sizing the a/c and the the ultimate effectivity of same. We have NO eaves in our home, only low hips on the roof pitch of about 2/12 so I installed two auto. turtles(1000+/- cfm each), at about 25% and 75% the length of the roof included the garage(2600sf).
Point being that the fans pull ambient air all over across the insulation blanket.
(the eaves have vented soffits every 6 ft)
Since much of the solar radiant roof heat
is re-radiated downward it heats the air AND the insulation blanket(the hot roof mass also heats the air thru conduction), the insulation gets hot on top first then conducts said heat thru to the ceiling according to thermal characteristics and thickness of the blanket. If there is hot, 140°-150°(un-cooled) air on top of the blanket contributing, the heat will continue to build and the ceiling will, over time, become so warm that the “correctly sized” a/c system will not be able to keep up. I experienced this when we were gone for 3 wks. The ceiling was 85° F and the otherwise sufficient a/c unit took 72 hrs cont. to bring the temp down to 76°. With ambient air on top of the blanket by auto thermostat the ceiling temp would never have gotten out of control. The air would draw both the hot top temp down closer to ambient AND cool the underside of the hot roof matl the same to reduce the re-radiated heat that was adding to the problem. Some have said that pwrd attic vents are not useful. Seems to me that ambient air is far cheaper than air conditioning the attic. Would you agree?
Your thoughts?

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-29290 Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:33:01 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-29290 In reply to bob.

@Bob, there are some tricks for discovering the info needed to model an existing home, old or not. For example, a lighter or match will reveal if the glass has a low-e coating (google ‘flame’ and ‘low-e’). You may be able to tell what’s in the walls by removing a few outlet or wall switch plates until you find one with a gap between the drywall and electrical box. A thermal (IR) camera will reveal how well the insulation was installed so you can estimate the effective R-value for the assembly. If ducts are outside the envelope, you can usually inspect most if not all of the insulation. One advantage of modeling an existing home: you can do blower door and duct leakage tests to measure actual leakage rates.

Having said all that, the most accurate way to size a replacement A/C, heat pump or furnace is through cycle timing. This assumes the existing system is in good working order and you have the luxury of time to wait for a hot day (or cold, if sizing a furnace). Also, if the system is multi-stage or variable capacity, it must be locked into high stage. And unless it’s your own home, a data logger (indoor & outdoor temp) is usually the best way to get the data.

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By: bob https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-29246 Mon, 27 Jun 2022 20:13:02 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-29246 How does one go about collecting the information needed for manual J (and the other manuals) in and old home where you often don’t know what’s in the walls, the floors; not to mention the invisible measurements like leakage?

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By: David Butler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-28650 Wed, 15 Jun 2022 07:12:35 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-28650 In reply to Charles Leahy.

@Charles, that’s an excellent question. I believe you’re conflating ventilation, filtration and internal air changes. Let’s start with ventilation…

As an example, the residential standard for ventilation (ASHRAE 62.2) stipulates a 2,000 ft2 home with 3 bedrooms needs a ventilation rate of 90 CFM (minus the verified infiltration credit). That works out to 0.3 ACH, assuming a volume of 18k ft3. If the ventilation air is distributed by the main air handler, it can be set to run on low speed 24/7, or x minutes per hour. Likewise, one can improve air filtration by running the air handler off-cycle (potentially leading to condensate re-evaporation in humid climates). But these are separate considerations from internal air changes, which is what you appear to be asking about.

There’s no code requirement for internal air changes, at least not for residential (nor for commercial, AFAIK). ACCA’s Manual LLH (Low Load Homes) refers to air turnovers per hour (ATH) and “air loading factor” (ALF = system airflow / conditioned floor area). These are somewhat controversial concepts driven mostly by diffuser considerations, i.e., register throws. It’s interesting to see how Manual LLH dances around these old-school concepts that might still apply to homes built 20 or 30 years ago.

I’ve been designing mechanical systems specifically for low load homes for more than 15 years. Some of my projects (including my own home) have ALF’s as low as 0.15 cfm/ft2 and air turnover rates less than 1 ATH, and here’s what I’ve learned:

As we ratchet down the cooling load, register throws (and air mixing in general) become less and less important. For low-load homes with normal sized rooms, you only need to get the supply air to the room. I would argue that most homes built (and verified) to meet today’s energy code would qualify as low-load homes. In that context, there are more important things to worry about than register throws and internal air turnover.

More important when designing an A/C system is that your airflow achieves the desired sensible-latent split based on the loads. For example, 350 cfm/ton increases latent capacity, whereas 450 cfm/ton increases sensible capacity (and efficiency).

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By: Dave Yates https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-28630 Tue, 14 Jun 2022 19:54:26 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-28630 Great info, as always, Allison. I was happy to see you noted inverter technology with respect to slightly oversizing ac equipment. Initially, we had two 1.5-ton ac systems in our new home. Recycled equipment from a replacement job we performed. Eventually one condenser compressor passed on to the freon Heaven in the sky and the cobbler’s children went barefoot for one summer. Retreat to the comfort side of the house as needed!

When we landed a large church hvac renovation, 28 mini splits were going to be ordered and the added reduction in price was the inspiration needed to add two more that would be for our home. Only one problem: my bride was also our office manager and bean counter. She immediately understands my intentions and stated – very emphatically- they better not be for “her” house! Turned out she didn’t like the look of wall or floor mounted inverter mini splits! Yikes!!! No matter, the two extra were sold within days.

Concealed mini split air handlers were just coming out, but had ultra low abilities to overcome resistance to airflow. I had designed for .03 & .05 (S/R). Solution? Convert all returns to supply ducts and cut in return air filter grills.

The manufacturer told me if I did that, there would be no warranty. Their national trainer said if anyone could pull this off, it was me. More than a decade later my inverter mini splits with the concealed air handlers are performing perfectly. At the time, I elected to also replace the still working second system and micro zoned the home to four instead of two zones.

You asked about run times. Given that they are inverter systems, they seldom are off. Our home is 100% hydronic radiant heating with a high eff NG boiler that is also modulating/condensing. When I first installed the inverter mini splits, I heated with them alone to see specially how our comfort level would be in our living room with its vaulted ceiling and was pleasantly surprised to find the comfort level a close second to radiant. Long story not so short, the inverter mini splits serve as backup for heating.

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By: Marty R https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/air-conditioner-sizing-load-calculations-vs-rules-of-thumb/#comment-28629 Tue, 14 Jun 2022 19:34:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7505#comment-28629 We moved from the hot, humid South to 4000 ft elevation in northern AZ, only to discover that the house that we bought had a failed heat pump. We contacted several contractors, both locally and in Phoenix, and the usual “rule of thumb” was exactly what you said: 400 sq ft per ton, or 6 tons in our case (!). That was more than 50% of the total heat pump capacity for our 3X larger Atlanta area house! With no dehumidification or related effects! I quickly estimated our load for year-round use here, which the long-term data says should include summer highs of perhaps 100F and winter lows of perhaps 25F on occasion, tempered with my previous experience in specifying the sizes (always smaller than the contractors proposed) for our homes during our lives in the East and South, and also keeping in mind that the air handler and most of the ductwork (mostly flex) are in the attic. The heat pump is still a bit over-sized, but with the changing climate and significantly hotter summers plus some extra-cold winters, 4 tons with a 2-speed compressor and variable-speed air handler plus 10kW resistance heat add-on keeps us comfortable and on-target year-round. If and when we need to replace it, we’ll want to do the full-scale calculations that you use as well as use the latest weather data, but I’m guessing that we’ll end up deciding between a 3 ton and 3.5 ton variable-speed compressor plus a variable-speed air handler (if we need to replace this one), to make it even better and more efficient. I hope that your articles will inspire more contractors, architects/designers, and homeowners to avoid using rule of thumb shortcuts and instead use valid, more-detailed, and appropriate calculations.

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