Comments on: Heat Pump or Furnace: Which Is Better for Comfort? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 22 Jun 2023 22:51:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Zoe https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-33784 Thu, 22 Jun 2023 22:51:14 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-33784 In reply to Allison Bailes.

I live in BC, Canada. The house is 3800 square feet and 40 years old (meaning that the insulation may not be good enough). I would like to replace the very old furnace with a new heat pump for both heating and cooling, but I am worried about Vancouver In winter, if the heat pump power enough without any electric auxiliary heating , can the indoor temperature reach 21 degrees Celsius?

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By: Dale Pickard https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32545 Thu, 05 Jan 2023 05:21:59 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32545 In reply to Steve M.

Hello Steve,
Are the two furnaces ducted in parallel – share common supply ducting? If so, the ductwork should be sized to handle the blower load of both – there may not be a penalty in using a two stage thermostat to stage the two furnace burners even if you operate both blowers on stage 1.
If you operate the two furnaces independently, you will need to outfit them with backdraft dampers if they share common supply ductwork. You don’t have to run both burners all the time they are on.
Huge limitations to forced air systems…to my mind.
Dale

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By: Russ King https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32544 Wed, 04 Jan 2023 22:34:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32544 In reply to JP.

Separating them into two independent systems will allow you zone it much better (assuming you can’t get by with just one unit). I never understood the logic behind “twinning”. You lose a thermostat and the ability to better control temperature in different parts of the building.

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By: Steve M https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32543 Wed, 04 Jan 2023 22:03:08 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32543 In reply to JP.

You’re right, it’s an old church that was built in 1892, so certainly not a modern enclosure or modern duct design.

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By: JP https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32536 Mon, 02 Jan 2023 21:32:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32536 In reply to Steve M.

The only places I’ve seen big twinned furnaces are in old homes with big ducts. These old homes were often very leaky and drafty, but with heating, bigger ant necessarily better. You’ll end up with hot spots and cold spots in the home, and the thermostat will satisfy, but the building is never going to be comfortable. If they’re 25 years old, they’ll probably need replacement soon enough. My suggestion would be to seal and insulate the building as best as possible and get the new equipment properly sized for the new load.

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By: Steve M https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32534 Mon, 02 Jan 2023 20:26:32 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32534 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

Thanks for corroborating my theory.

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By: Steve M https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32533 Mon, 02 Jan 2023 20:17:23 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32533 In reply to John-Paul Kiesel.

They’re almost 20 years old and I’ve only owned the building for 3, so I have no insight into whether a Manual-J was done, but it certainly doesn’t feel like they were adequately sized.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32532 Mon, 02 Jan 2023 20:08:11 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32532 In reply to Steve M.

Steve, it sounds like you will effectively be running the twin furnaces in a “heat pump” mode, i.e. lower supply T, longer cycles.

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By: John-Paul Kiesel https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32531 Mon, 02 Jan 2023 16:59:15 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32531 In reply to Steve M.

Sounds to me like your twinned 120’s are oversized if they’re only running for 14 hours/day on even the coldest days, and 7-9 hours/day on a typical cold day. Was a Manual-J done when they were installed in the first place?

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By: Steve M https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/heat-pump-or-furnace-which-is-better-for-comfort/#comment-32524 Sat, 31 Dec 2022 02:53:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7910#comment-32524 This post makes me even more inclined to try some experimentation with my twinned gas furnaces (120BTU each). Even on the coldest and windiest day during our recent winter storm, this pair only ran for 14.5 hours (according to Nest). On more typical winter days, this is in the 7-9 hour range.

It does this exceptionally well: “With high-temperature air, the furnace blasts you with hot air for a short time and then goes off”.

Heat and fan are independently run to relays which trigger both furnaces simultaneously, and both furnaces the common ducts for supply and return.

My thought, as an experiment, is to flip the fan wire to the heat terminal at one of the furnaces.

When heat is called in this modified configuration, one furnace should run its heat cycle, while the other would just blow its fan, ensuring the same amount of air flow, but with reduced heat at the registers.

I’d be able to see how much heat is called for each day as well as a visual representation of each cycle runtime (via Nest).

I’m curious about the comfort observations, but also what this does to efficiency (would a 7 hour runtime double to 14 hours on days with similar weather?).

Will post again if/when I run this experiment, but I’m all ears if anyone has comments about the scenario I outlined.

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