Comments on: Five Fun Facts About Dew Point Temperature https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 14 Jun 2022 01:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: BrianR https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28587 Tue, 14 Jun 2022 01:41:00 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28587 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Yep, learned this the hard way as a young boy scout sleeping under the stars!

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By: Linda Small https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28564 Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:07:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28564 In reply to Curt Kinder.

Thanks, that is very helpful.

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By: Curt Kinder https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28406 Fri, 10 Jun 2022 02:10:37 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28406 Dewpoint is extremely useful, in fact vital to understanding how building assemblies perform as to resisting moisture problems / failures.

In general, it is a bad idea to cool the interior of a home (or any building) below the outdoor air dewpoint, especially if it is a conventionally stick framed structure. Overcooling invites uncontrolled moisture formation within exterior (and sometimes even interior) wall and upper story floor support assemblies as well as condensation / insulation failures of oh-so-common attic ductwork.

Given rising dewpoints owing to climate change, my stance on setpoint vs dewpoint has come under increasing pressure as I enter my 4th decade living in the humid southeast.

I recommend cooling setpoints no lower than 75*F, ideally 77-78*F and strive to provide HVAC systems and building science testing / upgrades that drive comfort at those temperatures…in a nutshell that means much better humidity control via both HVAC equipment selection and improving how the structure performs as to infiltration.

72*F is my absolute lowest allowable cooling setpoint, and that preferably only intermittently, such as at night. Any customer / client that wants to cool their home to sixty-anything degrees becomes an ex-customer / client ASAP…let someone else die taking that mold litigation hill!

If a structure must be routinely cooled below outdoor dewpoint there are assemblies that tolerate that…my personal favorite is ICF (Insulated Concrete Form) walls with closed cell spray foam insulation under roof sheathing with everything blower door verified substantially airtight before drywall goes up. In other words bury the dewpoint temperature within vapor impermeable exterior wall and ceiling / attic assemblies verified to be substantially airtight.

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By: Linda Small https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28346 Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:25:21 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28346 Glad you brought this up. Will using the dew point be more useful than relative humidity in some case for building science too? I need to figure out the best practice for my house to balance the need to lower CO2 levels in the house and the relative humidity introduced in the house when I open the windows in the morning. (I have an ERV which never worked for many reasons.) Is the dew point a more useful number to relate to what the relative humidity will be as the house warms up during the day? There was a big difference in the RH jump in the house from the mornings when it was 57 degrees outside and this morning at 64 degrees- the house RH went up to 70%. I’m banking on the fact that that the RH should go down as the house warms up during the day, plus I don’t run the air conditioning until the house gets to 78 degrees to be safe for the house.
I know RH is used by the industry for reference on what will and won’t harm buildings, but I wonder if it will be more accurate to develop more guidance that covers the “it depends” aspects, as you do in the Energy Vanguard. For instance, if my house gets to 70% as I did this morning, and then I used the AC to bring the house to 65 degrees, I think I would cause a problem if my understanding of the science is right. I know some folks don’t want to deal with details, but for me as a homeowner trying to figure things out, the “it depends” details sure help.

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By: Hugo Vargas https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28328 Tue, 07 Jun 2022 17:47:24 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28328 I thoroughly enjoy your writings. Congrats EVB for hitting the 1,000-article mark!

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By: Bryan Uhler https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28324 Tue, 07 Jun 2022 16:20:10 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28324 The Economist has an article on the dangers of 35 degree Celcius wet bulb temps. Scary to think of a country like India being affected by something like this. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/05/13/heat-and-humidity-are-putting-millions-of-indians-in-peril

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By: Curt Kinder https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28320 Tue, 07 Jun 2022 14:38:34 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28320 In reply to RoyC.

The issue of “frost point” is quite relevant to heat pump operation during cold(er) weather. Those of us in the southeast have used heat pumps for decades, but advances in heat pump technology, sky-high nat gas prices, and the push to decarbonize homes has suddenly made much of the rest of the planet much more interested in heat pumps.

A key element of both the efficiency and reliability of heat pumps is managing frequency and duration of defrost cycles. That in turn depends very much on ambient outdoor frost point. A poorly selected or installed heat pump can get hammered by icing during cold rainy weather – defrost capability overwhelmed by rainfall.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28317 Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:55:38 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28317 In reply to BrianR.

BrianR, you mean like this:

Why Doesn’t Frost Form in the Carport?

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By: BrianR https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28315 Tue, 07 Jun 2022 12:13:59 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28315 In reply to RoyC.

RoyC in New England we occasionally get frost on roofs (houses & cars) overnight in the fall even when the measured air temperature never dropped below freezing. Perhaps not quite the same as your “frost point” but kinda similar due in part to radiational (super) cooling.

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By: Glenn https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/five-fun-facts-about-dew-point-temperature/#comment-28281 Mon, 06 Jun 2022 15:21:19 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7463#comment-28281 So I don’t know if this anything to do with dew point, but I think maybe could be a topic for a public service announcement for your readers. I just had my roof replaced and
the contractors basically didn’t even cut any opening for the new ridge vents they installed. Luckily I had not paid them all their money yet and I made him come back out and fix it. Supposedly these guys are professionals, but you’d think they would know how to install a ridge vent. Now since they cut it I noticed it appears to be twice the size of what the manufacturer recommends for the opening. I guess now the question is how big can the opening be without causing an issue?

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