Comments on: 4 Ways to Duct a Dehumidifier https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:28:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Charlie https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-33320 Tue, 25 Apr 2023 20:28:21 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-33320 In reply to Chet.

In my last house I had the same problem the AC fan overpowered the DH fan forcing the damper closed. I solved the problem by placing the duct start collar as near the evaporator coil in the supply plenum as possible. This is point of lowest static pressure because this is where velocity is highest. I further reduced this pressure by build a reverse scoop that basically made a curved wing with the top of the wing pointing into the airflow. Bernoulli did his job and the net result was very little static pressure, no damper shutting during ac fan operation and improved airflow into the system.
You don’t wan to shut the AC fan off during DH operations for two reasons:
1. The AC runs less than the DH when humidity is high during shoulder seasons.
2. When the AC is not running the DH air will try to flow backward thru the evaporation coil causing moisture to evaporate back into the air.

What would be really nice is if someone made some sort of properly designed venture or other device like a scoop that would allow DH air to be injected in the supply stream at a negative stick pressure (suction) point). The final part of the solution would be a computerized control that sequenced all the system AC, vent fan , ERV , DH in a smart (AI) based fashion that learned the optimum comfort strings and maximized efficiency.

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By: Andy https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-33020 Sat, 18 Mar 2023 08:00:11 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-33020 Hi,

Where should the supply and return registers for an independent ducting system be located, and why?

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By: Chet https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-32863 Sun, 26 Feb 2023 00:13:53 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-32863 I installed a whole house dehumidifier. It has its own return and connects to the existing ductwork at a plenum going downstairs. There is a gravity damper to prevent backflow into the dehumidifier.

The AC blower is so powerful that it prevents the damper from opening when the dehumidifier also running. Should I (or can I) prevent the dehumidifier from running when the AC blower is running? Is there a way to reconnect the supplies to give the dehumidifier blower a fighting chance to open the damper? I’m wondering if a wye to the existing 12″ duct might be enough.

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By: Robin W Boyd https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-31028 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:58:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-31028 In reply to Robert Adams.

Living and working in the Mid-Atlantic region where there is more humidity than the heat load normally addresses, we strive to make cooling systems address latent heat more than sensible. Since doing this greatly reduces the efficiency “ratings”, doing so is not popular with those who dwell only on efficiency “ratings” while neglecting comfort at a reasonable cost of energy.
Utilizing variable speed ECM’s and physically larger indoor coils allows us to maintain the largest area of coil surface at the lowest temperatures to allow cooling systems to address latent heat removal more so while cooling the air. Since cooling system run times are less in lower heat gain areas, having those systems address latent heat as a primary focus greatly decreases RH, allowing us to be comfortable at higher temperatures. We need to focus less on efficiency “ratings” and a lot more on comfort at reasonable costs of energy usage. Robbing Peter (latent load) to pay Paul (sensible load) just to obtain efficient “ratings” is counter productive to obtaining overall comfort.

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By: Larry speranske https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-31015 Fri, 12 Aug 2022 08:23:32 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-31015 What size dehumidifier is shown as installed as above and what capacity unit is it as to the btu size of the system and the cfm draw and return to the duct system it is providing? I understand it is an air conditioner system that takes supply air into it and through its coil removes humidity and the condenser coil of the unit is providing heat from the unit back into the home air system. Provide the voltage and amperage of the unit. Thanks Larry Manager Airmaker, Inc.

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By: Robin W Boyd https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-30993 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 15:30:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-30993 In reply to RoyC.

Even though anecdotal circumstances are usually considered somehow less important than charts, I will continue to design and set systems for my customers in a way they tell me they are the most comfortable while enjoying reasonable energy costs. We are in the business of comfort. No matter how much we dwell on energy efficiency ratings, we must achieve comfort to have satisfied customers.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-30989 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:28:28 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-30989 In reply to Robin W Boyd.

I have to disagree with Robin. ASHRAE Std. 55 has a comfort envelope that shows for typical summer comfort conditions, a change in RH from 50 to 60% results in slightly less than a 1 F drop in dry-bulb temperature for the same comfort level. I am quite familiar with this chart and it was developed from extensive studies on human subjects in various environmental conditions. I seriously doubt that dropping the temperature setpoint 1 F in a humid climate would result in more additional energy consumption than the energy savings from an increase in RH from 50 to 60%.

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By: Robin W Boyd https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-30987 Thu, 11 Aug 2022 14:05:35 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-30987 In reply to RoyC.

When we consider that allowing humidity levels to rise from 50% to 60% as using less energy, we must consider the total human comfort factor. While maintaining 60% RH reduces energy usage simply by not requiring the refrigeration system to condense the water vapor from the air, 60% RH also causes us to “feel” warmer due to the lessening of the evaporation from our skin to the atmosphere. If one is comfortable at 76 degrees with 50% RH, one is not going to feel as comfortable at the same temperature when the RH has increased to 60%. In which case, one is going to decrease the temperature, wiping out any savings from reduced energy usage from allowing the RH to rise to 60%. We must always keep in mind that while we strive for energy efficiency, we still do what is necessary to make us comfortable. In my over five decades in the HVAC industry, until recently, the average comfort level for average humans is 72 degrees at 40% humidity. By changing the parameters to obtain better efficiency ratings, we only fool ourselves into believing we are achieving more efficient systems.

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By: Fan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-30976 Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:02:23 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-30976 Airflow perspective: Fans must fight each other if you plumb them both into the supply, (effectively parallel fan setup) where as if you plumb it into the return side, (series fan setup), they effectively “boost” eachother rather than fight for laneway. All depends on if the ducts are large enough to accept the parallel without major loss, would be an issue in many undersized systems, a safer setup is to push into the return and make it easier for the a/c to find air, unless you know how to duct size and add two fan curves as a check. (Parallel adds pressure, series adds cfm)
Fan of the site, keep it up friend

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/4-ways-to-duct-a-dehumidifier/#comment-30975 Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:52:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7655#comment-30975 In reply to David T.

I gave that report a quick review and it didn’t appear to be very comprehensive or conclusive as to the best way to connect a whole-house dehumidifier to a central AC system. My conclusion based on this report and other considerations is still that one should just keep the whole-house dehumidifier separate from the central AC system and let it operate independently.

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