Comments on: How Do Suction Cups Work? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Roy Collver https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34727 Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:05:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34727 In reply to Chris Smith.

Good one!

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By: Chris Smith https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34722 Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:02:05 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34722 Delta P Cups!

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By: John Mattson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34714 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 16:30:20 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34714 In reply to Allison Bailes.

The vacuum creates the normal force. If you pull against the normal force, the vacuum is holding the cup, or cups together. If you pull at 90 degrees to the normal force (like the vacuum cup holding a soap dish in the shower) then its friction that holds it in place. But it is the vacuum that generates the normal force which is necessary for the friction. So both are true, depending on the angle.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34713 Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:09:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34713 In reply to Allison Bailes.

If the suction cup was designed such that its surface is essentially flat when it initially contacts the surface, there should be no air under it, When you begin to pull up on the center there should be close to a vacuum condition under it. The only reason that you need to lift the center up is to ensure that there is enough pressure around the outer edges to seal it and prevent air from entering the space under the cup.

I would think that Allison could figure out a way to actually measure the separation force and see how close it comes to 14.2 psi. (I am assuming that Atlanta is at 1000′ altitude).

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By: Roy Collver https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34709 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 22:03:16 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34709 Ah yes! Boyle’s Law. As a long-term gas-fitter, this law was one I had to live by. The great thing about it is that its formula is one of the easiest you will ever need to apply in everyday use. For you techno-nerds out there, play with the numbers a bit in everyday situations (putting an airtight lid on a cooling pot throws in the the temperature variable not a factor in the equation, but has valuable lessons to learn regarding pressure reduction in a sealed-gas system) – have fun.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34708 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 21:12:51 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34708 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Yeah, it is not 180. 100 sounds more like it, and the force is proportional to the force you had to apply to the lever that you used to close the suction cup, isn’t it?

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34707 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:33:59 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34707 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

After thinking about what you wrote, Paul, I believe the force would be more like 80 to 100 pounds. I think at best, the volume doubles, which cuts the pressure in half. That would make the pressure difference about half of the atmospheric pressure you stated (14.7 pounds per square inch). Right?

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34706 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:31:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34706 In reply to John Mattson.

John: In some cases, it’s friction holding the two cups together. But as I pulled on them to separate them, it wasn’t friction. It was the force created by the difference in air pressure. And as Paul Szymkiewicz wrote in his comment below, that would be ~180 pounds if the inside pressure were zero. It’s not zero, though, so let’s say it’s ~100 pounds of force.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34705 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:26:50 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34705 In reply to RoyC.

Not telling!

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/how-do-suction-cups-work/#comment-34704 Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:26:14 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8587#comment-34704 In reply to Paul Szymkiewicz.

Paul: Yeah, “pressure cup” or “pressure difference cup” would never catch on. Thanks for doing that little calculation. I should have done that for the article.

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