Comments on: Winterizing Your Home? Don’t Caulk the Windows! https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Sun, 23 May 2021 16:08:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Bob E Lee https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9057 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 23:06:57 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9057 I decided to go around
I decided to go around sealing up the holes and windows in the house we live in, meaning sealing the door/s and window gaps, and for good measure under the firm grip of lunacy I even went under the stairs to plug and seal the holes drilled in the floorboards for the gas and electic pipes and cables. I left the front door for later because it was blocked by books. more books and items considered too good to be thrown away. Lets say we had 24 holes that needed blocking, I learnt that if you plug the first 10 holes, the other 14 holes remaining draw in air equal in volume to the original 24 holes, then if you block another 10 holes, meaning 20 holes have been blocked then the 4 holes remaining draw in the same amount of air as the original 24 holes did, and if you block 3 more holes and leave just one hole to seal, then that ONE hole which in my case was the front door – draws in enough air to equal the whole air intake of the original 24 holes? I sealed the front door and the house was warmer a lot warmer, I don’t have a clue how this house is self-venting nor do I care. In any case we do not generate a great deal of heat, the walls feel cold to the touch, the ceilings in every room also feel cold and to make matters worse you can put you’re hand under our loft insulation and the bedroom ceiling below it, feels cold and the fibreglass insulation also feels cold, nowhere can I find stored heat, trapped heat, warmth, or see any signs of heat saving taking place. Make of this what you want. All I ask is if you mention this post to others please swear them to INSULATION TRADE silence, make out we all know what we are doing, I certainly don’t. Do you?

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By: Tapani Talo https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9055 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 22:02:19 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9055 The main component of comfort
The main component of comfort is surface temperature, for instance spaces below roof have ceilings that have temperatures well into 100 – 140. No AC fixes this
In the winter the frozen ceiling or space above freezing basement or GARAGE will not be made comfortable with heat. I find that if i get the envelope right R-40 walls and R-70 roof, all problems are solved.

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By: Lynn Taylor https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9029 Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:50:06 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9029 In reply to Bob E Lee lee.

Bob E Lee, I love your
Bob E Lee, I love your comment…”Holes that homeowners cannot see do not exist”….so true!!!

I am a Residential Designer and see this all the time. My design work is mainly on historic houses. I have been in many attics and the crawl space or dirt basement.

I have seen homeowners replace beautiful historic windows when they have NO insulation in their attic, knee wall or crawl space. Of course, floor has so many holes from the dirt crawl space or basement.

The replacement windows that will always be replacement windows. Historic windows has to be maintained like the rest of the house. You don’t get rid of your car when it’s time to change the oil, replace the timing belt, get new tires, etc.

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By: Bob E Lee lee https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9027 Sat, 07 Nov 2015 18:27:14 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9027 In reply to Mike MacFarland.

Lots og goos advice Mike, all
Lots og goos advice Mike, all that needs to me said and mentioned is: “Holes that homeowners cannot see do not exist”, and are difficult to speak about, becase when you do you get class as a guy seeking extra work, determined to push up the price using any pretext and the frost in the air – has just been created by you the Jack Frost on his shoulders sales person. I can show homeowners holes in there roof and they shrug, it does not register with them, mention that just one of those holes could seek a battleship and they begin to understand. But will they act on you’re advice, rarely. They want the basic package, and the holes can wait forever. I think we have all seen loft spaces in winter without an hatch cover, we have all stood in loft spaces and could look out into the street below, clients will not accept if you can see out of the loft, then heat can follow the same path to the great outdoors. I know a neighbour who had no door at the rear of the house for 10 years, it led into an old store room and no one he said ever went in there. He was ubable to see that cold came in, and heat went out thru the missing door gap.

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By: Bill Hill https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9048 Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:32:19 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9048 In reply to John Proctor.

(My response to John Proctor
(My response to John Proctor’s comment on my comment to him…)
John — My bad for giving too much credit to Joe Lstiburek who brought building science to the “masses” (well, the masses of our select group of energy nerds anyway) and not giving enough credit to those doing the research a decade earlier. Yes, Dutt and Harrje and Sinden and Socolow and all the others at my alma mater were instrumental in changing the way we look at buildings.

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By: John Proctor https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9046 Fri, 16 Oct 2015 21:32:23 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9046 In reply to Bill Hill.

Thank you Bill. I learned of
Thank you Bill. I learned of the errors of my ways — found building science from the folks from Princeton (Dutt and others) see:
http://www.proctoreng.com/dnld/TwinRiversReport_sf.pdf

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9044 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:41:06 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9044 In reply to Bill Hill.

Brash? Engineer? Canada? Well
Brash? Engineer? Canada? Well, that can only be Joseph Lstiburek, PhD, PE, the man with too many consonants in his last name, not all of them pronounced (although his cousin from the old country said they would be if he pronounced it correctly).

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By: Bill Hill https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9034 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:32:40 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9034 In reply to Dale Sherman.

I agree that the primary
I agree that the primary benefit of sealing cracks around windows and doors is increased thermal comfort. However I’m not convinced this new found comfort will affect “Grandma’s” thermostat behavior, thus resulting in measured savings. In fact, two studies which I authored or co-authored back in the late 80s found pretty close to zero measured savings from caulking & weatherstripping or replacement windows (whose widely touted benefits usually include savings from reduced infiltration). The results of these studies are summarized in a letter to the editor I wrote to Home Energy magazine, “Reader Questions Cost-Effectiveness of Weather Stripping” which appears in the January/February 2013 issue.

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By: Bill Hill https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9042 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 16:12:09 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9042 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Great post, Allison, on one
Great post, Allison, on one of my favorite topics. Each October without fail the media and utility companies trot out the same old tired and incorrect advice on how to save energy. I’ve been raging against this and writing letters for probably 25 years now, to no avail.

Back in the early 80s I was providing pretty much the same advice as John Proctor, with similar calculations re the benefits of caulking and weatherstripping. And Gary Nelson of Minneapolis Blower Door fame was still selling kits to fix leaky double hung windows! All that changed when that brash young engineer came down from the cold of Canada preaching the gospel of building science. Oh, of course, we were failing to understand the importance of driving forces! So very obvious once Joe pointed it out.

The sad part of this is, 30 years later, most of the “advice” on saving energy is still stuck in the 70s. If anyone has a suggestion for fixing this sorry state of affairs, please weigh in.

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By: Bill Hill https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows/#comment-9040 Thu, 15 Oct 2015 15:53:15 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=winterizing-your-home-dont-caulk-the-windows#comment-9040 In reply to John Proctor.

Hi John. Thanks for the
Hi John. Thanks for the great “blast from the past” video. Now I know where the utilities are getting all their incorrect information. Just kidding, of course. I’m fortunate that I don’t have any video records of my early 80s advice!

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