Comments on: A Weekend Plumbing Adventure https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 28 Jul 2022 18:33:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: David Williams https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30431 Thu, 28 Jul 2022 18:33:10 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30431 I feel your pain… 25 years ago we owned a 1912 vintage house with a “octopus” gravity hot air system that I converted to baseboard radiation. The way the house was put on the foundation meant that each “end” of fin tube I installed required four to six 3/4 copper ells, most of which needed to be soldered in a very restricted place between wood joists and flooring. I did improve my technique quickly! Mostly I needed more heat, so a MAPP gas torch helped a lot along with flame shield material to allow me to get in-between the joist and wood construction without putting the structure on fire.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30400 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:54:52 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30400 In reply to James Carroll.

James: Yes, I did. I had a couple of calls with Gary Klein about my hot water distribution, and that’s one of the things that we discussed. The demand-type recirculation systems work well and use far less energy than continuous recirc systems, even when they’re on a timer. I wanted to try David Wasserman’s method first, though. (See link to my hot water retrofit article above.)

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30399 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:52:08 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30399 In reply to Adam Hamilton.

Adam: I think I may have put some of my blood in the pipes here. I was feeling the burr on a freshly cut pipe and put a nice little slice on my finger that bled for a while.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30398 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:50:59 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30398 In reply to Roy Collver.

Roy: Thanks!

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30397 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:50:33 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30397 In reply to Mike Barcik.

Mike: Thanks! Saturday ended badly, but Sunday was a different story. I was ecstatic when I opened the valve and everything stayed dry.

Yikes! A disintegrating, lit torch making a fireball under your house? Wow! I asked my experienced plumbing and hot water expert friend Larry Weingarten for his recommendation of a torch and have been very happy with it. It does have the built-in sparker. I also sprang for a flame resistant pad to help me not set the house on fire and had wet rags handy, too. The wet rags also helped (I believe) with keeping nearby joints from melting when I was soldering.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30396 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:46:12 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30396 In reply to Marty R.

Marty: Yeah, I could have done all Sharkbite fittings, but I wanted to learn how to sweat copper. I watched my grandfather and uncle doing it when I worked summers with them as a teenager, and it’s a skill I wanted.

Your point about inside fittings is an important one. It’s always best to use fittings that don’t reduce the diameter, especially elbows, which also introduce turbulence by turning the water.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30395 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:43:21 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30395 In reply to Bill Cowhig.

Bill: Ouch! That sounds like one of those “No good deed goes unpunished” events.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30394 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:41:13 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30394 In reply to rj.

rj: Thanks for the tips. Yes, clean surfaces are definitely critical.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30393 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:40:08 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30393 In reply to pete baston.

Pete: I’m using Sharkbite fittings for my PEX runs.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-weekend-plumbing-adventure/#comment-30392 Wed, 27 Jul 2022 13:38:44 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7619#comment-30392 In reply to Thomas Dugan.

Thomas: Yeah, the importance of clean surfaces is one of the things I learned from my online soldering education. Sunday morning I learned of something that I may have been doing wrong in that regard, too. After you clean the outside of a pipe or the inside of a fitting, you shouldn’t touch it. The oils from your skin don’t get removed by the flux. I can’t find it now, but one of the videos I watched showed how the solder didn’t stick to a place that had been cleaned and then touched before applying flux whereas the one that hadn’t been touched worked fine.

The point-of-use water heater is fine in some applications, and I’m glad it works for you. I’ve got too much invested in my heat pump water heater, however, to not use it in such an important place as the kitchen.

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