Comments on: Can a Heat Pump Water Heater Replace an Air Conditioner? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:49:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Hosea https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34733 Sat, 30 Sep 2023 14:49:42 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34733 Short answer is there’s no way a HWHP hot water provides any real sustained cooling to your house. First, the hot water heater is not on long enough to provide much cooling. Secondly, the output in BTUs from the water heater when it is on is minimal. I had one in my 2-car garage in Florida and it might drop the temperature 1 deg but that’s because the garage gets hot. But even in your house it’s still going to provide woefully insufficient cooling. It might cool a large closet, but other than that it’s not on long enough and not of high enough BTU value to really help you much. The good news is they cost only about 45% as much to run for a full year compared to an electric hot water heater and they are on par with natural gas water heaters for cost to operate. Initial cost to purchase is more than a pure electric or a natural gas hot water heater but in the long run, they’re much cheaper to operate than electric.

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By: chris diesenbruch https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34070 Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:37:47 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34070 In reply to Rj.

Huh? $2000 to $3000 more? I bought mine for $1200 in 2019 and got a $300 rebate from the electric company. Today the newer version of the same one is $1699. With the rebates and credits available now it’s almost free. Plus I’ve been paying approximately $10 a month for hot water. Knock on wood I’ve had no issues with it. If the heat pump part of it breaks you can just switch it over to regular electric resistive as it’s a hybrid unit. Yes it does require a drain line. For the condensate. The same company sold a $600 electric resistive water heater in the same size. After the rebate mine was $300 more. I saved that amount in the first year. Even if it broke today and I decided to just replace it over the last 3 years since I made my money back it’s more than paid for itself. I put it in resisted mode and the electrical usage went up by 300 to 400%.

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By: chris diesenbruch https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34069 Mon, 24 Jul 2023 11:36:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34069 In reply to Rj.

Huh? $2000 to $3000 more? I bought mine for $1200 in 2019 and got a $300 rebate from the electric company. Today the newer version of the same one is $1699. With the rebates and credits available now it’s almost free. Plus I’ve been paying approximately $10 a month for hot water. Knock on wood I’ve had no issues with it. If the heat pump part of it breaks you can just switch it over to regular electric resistive as it’s a hybrid unit. Yes it does require a drain line. For the condensate. The same company sold a $600 electric resistive water heater in the same size. After the rebate mine was $300 more. I saved that amount in the first year.

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By: Curt https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34060 Sun, 23 Jul 2023 02:55:04 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34060 You MIGHT be able to make a perceptible difference for a few hours per day ducting the HPWH exhaust into one otherwise closed room, such as a bedroom, but you’d have to time the HPWH recovery operation to coincide with optimal time to cool the bedroom…perhaps beginning an hour or so before going to bed and extending for 2-3 hours after that. You’d probably want a big HPWH, 80 gallon, to max the potential ability to confine its recovery to certain times of day while also guaranteeing adequate hot water the rest of the day.

HPWH noise varies widely – pay close attention to decibels ratings and user / owner reports online. One major manufacturer unfortunately chose to let their most recent generation of HPWH be much louder than the previous generation, resulting in a boatload of backlash, especially since their being a typical large corporation, they figured it was cheaper to bob, weave, and gaslight their loyal users rather than own and fix the problem. Your mileage may vary.

Fuhgedabout doing anything with the clothes dryer exhaust…the lint and humidity load make that airstream problematic for anything other than exhausting outdoors – sorry to hear yours doesn’t go outside…for shame on whoever came up with that!

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By: Rj https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34058 Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:07:22 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34058 In reply to Kimberly Lauer.

They do make noise which would be noticeable in a quiet environment. If it is not heating water you don’t get any cool air. So it might be equivalent to a small window unit that only comes on for 90 minutes after someone takes a long shower. Not at night when it is really humid. Probably would cost $2000-$3000 more than a straight electric water heater and requires an ac tech to fix instead of a trip to a hardware store to fix. Also are taller and require a drain nearby. Most are slow to recover when the hot water is used up, eg when your renters all return at once. The solution to that is additional straight resistance heat in the water heater which recovers quicker but without cooling. A 12,000 btu dual hose portable heat pump from Midea for under $500 that runs on 120v would be a better solution without a visible condenser outside.

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By: chris diesenbruch https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34057 Sat, 22 Jul 2023 15:00:00 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34057 In reply to Kimberly Lauer.

If the HPWH is ducted theoretically you could conduct the dryer right to the intake but I would worry about a couple of things. First of all I would worry about lint clogging the filter on the water heater up frequently and also probably clogging up the coil and when the dryer wasn’t running if the dryer door is closed it’s going to basically turn into a vacuum situation. I would, if it’s in an open space, just let it cool air in from the room and exhaust it out to cool it down. I don’t know about other models but the Rheem model I have can also be run in regular resistive mode using the electric rods. That way if it got too cool you can switch it to that mode or if people were renting it out and you just wanted to get too cold for them. It’s a lot less efficient in that mode but it’ll work fine. And yes they are efficient and when it’s running it will help lower the humidity level

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By: Kimberly Lauer https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-34054 Sat, 22 Jul 2023 02:10:31 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-34054 Okay, here’s a question for all of you big brains…I live on Maui and our condo building does not allow A/C. It never gets cold enough here to need heat, and I’m fine most of the year with our Tradewinds and fans. But it would be nice to have a little cool air circulating in the condo. Especially in the late afternoon when the sun is setting and Aug-Oct. My condo is small, 770sq ft, and the current water heater is in the middle of the condo, directly across from the electric dryer, which vents into the condo. (I know. That’s problem for another section). Would there be a way to pull hot air from the dryer vent? or from the air in the condo, and then vent the cool air out into the living room and bedroom? Would that provide me with some cool air? I know it wouldn’t be like having an a/c, but it would be better than nothing. How loud are these heat pump water heaters? The climate here is an average of 80 degrees all year round during the day and 70s at night. High & lows don’t vary much. 80/63 in January and 88/71 August. Humidity varies but it averages around 71%. I’m a single person, but I rent out my condo to tourists 6 months out of the year, and there are usually 4 people staying here then. I don’t know if this matters, but we have solar panels and we all share the electricity. So I also like that these heat pump water heaters are energy efficient. What do y’all think? Would this help me keep my condo a little cooler?

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By: Curt https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-33689 Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:22:38 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-33689 In reply to Matt Turner.

True, in an of itself, but the software could be configured to check for proper connection of backup resistance elements as a condition for general operation…in other words lock out the compressor if backup resistance element is not connected.

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By: chris diesenbruch https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-33688 Mon, 12 Jun 2023 12:10:44 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-33688 In reply to Toby.

I have smart things and a Rheem 4th generation HPWH. I wish there was a way to control the function of the unit automatically. I don’t know if there’s a different home assistant that could do that. My condensation line runs through an exterior wall and drips into my landscape and then I’ve had a couple of times in the winter when it has frozen and backed up into the pan. I would love to set it up so that whenever the outside temperature dropped below a certain level it would switch to resistance mode. Either that or I’m going to have to run the condensate line in a way that it won’t cause this issue but there’s not a really easy way to do that

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By: Matt Turner https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/can-a-heat-pump-water-heater-replace-an-air-conditioner/#comment-33685 Mon, 12 Jun 2023 01:48:32 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6518#comment-33685 In reply to Curt.

The software can’t turn the resistance heat on if the element is disconnected.

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