Comments on: Lloyd Alter Is Living the 1.5 Degree Lifestyle https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:34:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: DS https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18246 Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:34:22 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18246 In reply to Dale Sherman.

I have had similar issues with new equipment, and it frustrates me to see stuff built so poorly nowadays. I have been told, though, that part of that reasoning is because companies that built their stuff too well went out of business when the market saturated and they weren’t selling any more of that item.

I like to see stuff get the most possible life out of it, and that leads me to look for used items as well that might be built better.

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By: Michael s Maines https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18065 Thu, 09 Dec 2021 00:32:23 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18065 Excellent review of what sounds like an excellent book. Thank you, Allison–it’s next on my list!

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By: Dale Sherman https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18051 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 17:19:27 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18051 Nice review, Allison. The lengthy book excerpt is a worthy read.

But Alter’s book is just one component of the many steps needed to reduce the potential impact of the Anthropocene extinction. I hope Alter builds on Al Bartlett’s points about the crux of the problem (exponents!) in a sequel edition.

Switching a global growth-oriented economy to a sustainable and resilient economy is not likely to happen without disruption and pain. It will be interesting to see how capitalism might reinvent economic growth from a “make more” economy to a “make better” economy.

So, what’s the CO2e impact of buying the paperback vs. a digital version? Is there a lower CO2e if I buy from New Society Publishers vs Amazon?

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18048 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 15:27:45 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18048 In reply to Roy Collver.

I see this planned obsolescence as a real problem too. I have a bunch of old cell phones and computers at home that are mechanically sound but no longer supported by the manufacturer since they obviously wanted to sell me new ones. I also have a bunch of other equipment that quit working (treadmill, TV’s, etc.) that no one wants to repair or are too cheap to repair, but that also shouldn’t be put in the landfill. No one seems to want to recycle them either. Goodwill, Habitat ReStores, etc. don’t want this stuff either. As much as I hate to say it, perhaps we should require deposits on this type of equipment at the time of purchase that are redeemable at repair or recycling centers at the end of their useful life. Obviously the deposit amounts would have to be high enough to justify these centers and to get people to return the old equipment there.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18047 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 14:55:46 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18047 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Allison, I am not sure I understand the comments about syrup. As far as I know, Coke was shipping syrup to regional bottling plants before and after the use of disposable bottles and cans. As far as I now the water has always been obtained locally at these plants. So I don’t think the shift from refillable to recyclable containers had anything to do with that. I guess I will have to buy the book to get into the details, but I generally don’t listen much to architects 😉

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18043 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 11:31:25 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18043 In reply to Avery Colter.

Thanks, Avery. I’ve bought hard drives and memory from Otherworld for this and my previous Mac.

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By: Avery Colter https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18039 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 06:45:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18039 Oh and there’s also Otherworld Computing (aka Macsales.com) which sells replacement parts and upgrades, and MacOfAllTrades which sells used computers. I’ve been an Apple-head since my teen years, and only a couple times in my adult life have I bought a new machine.

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By: Avery Colter https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18038 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 06:41:42 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18038 Hey Allison, on that last point, there is a website called iFixIt.com, which sells some replacement parts for computers, tools to help remove and install replacements, and instructional rundowns. I have also recently found out they have an activist arm, lobbying federal and state governments to prevent companies from restricting access to repair tool and instructions and claiming a voided warranty after a user repair.

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By: Roy Collver https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18034 Wed, 08 Dec 2021 00:31:31 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18034 In reply to Allison Bailes.

This obsolescence is a big – big deal!
I have a 15 year old Mac Pro with dual Xeon processors that is an absolute BEAST at photo processing – still kills it over my newer machines. Last year the video card crapped out and lo and behold – said video card is no longer available (for an original price $4,000.00 computer). Fortunately, I have a talented Mac tech locally who found someone to REPAIR the video card. That ain’t likely to happen again.

But then there was my top of the line 36” LG refrigerator with in-door ice and yadda, yadda, yadda (I had to rebuild my kitchen cabinets to fit the bad boy in). Three years later after the second compressor failure and zero response from LG – into the landfill it went. I took it to the metal recycle depot and they refused it. Landfill – a 3 year old top of the line refrigerator.

Something has to give here.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/lloyd-alter-explores-living-the-15-degree-lifestyle/#comment-18032 Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:52:21 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=6882#comment-18032 In reply to Roy Collver.

Roy, yeah, obsolescence of hardware has doomed a lot of equipment that still had useful life left. I had to upgrade from the iPhone 6 to the 8 because the battery crapped out after an update to the latest iOS.

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