Comments on: A Continuous Air Barrier Between Garage and House https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 04 Apr 2023 21:17:01 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Chris S. https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-33179 Tue, 04 Apr 2023 21:17:01 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-33179 Put all nasties in shed or outside. Added benefit of EV: power and heat source. Our 1989 house has 2 car garage under bonus room. Park EV & run cord to fridge, space heater etc. Open windows and run car heat, warm garage.

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By: AOK https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-32169 Thu, 27 Oct 2022 18:05:49 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-32169 I am hoping you can make some suggestions for me. I live in a townhome built in the 80’s. My home office is in the bedroom above the garage and in the winter it can get pretty chilly. I am planning to remodel my office and install new carpet. I am wondering since I am going to do that, is there an easier way to insulate & seal during that process. In other words, a flooring overlay that will help, and/or pulling up the subfloor and insulating from above, rather than through the drywall in the garage ceiling. Oh, and yes, I have a heat pump in a closet off of the garage, but thankfully I have an EV. Thank you!

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By: AOK https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-32168 Thu, 27 Oct 2022 17:59:07 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-32168 In reply to Bob.

That and you can back into the garage if you want.
And no oil/fluid leaks on the garage floor.

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31994 Thu, 06 Oct 2022 15:14:37 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31994 Albert, in fact, I am about to install one in our garage. This particular model has selectable CFM (110, 130, 150), less than 0.3 sones with a 6″ duct (I’ll use metal), and consumes 6.9W at 110cfm, and 12.9W at 150cfm.

It’s a larger garage, and I am installing it primarily for IAQ improvement (PM dilution) because of my activities in the garage. For now, blowing dust on my neighbors will have to do, before I spend more on noisy filtration systems. Yes, I do have dust removal while I am working in the garage, but there is always plenty of residual floating around and by running the exhaust fan overnight, I am hoping to remedy that. Should I run a CONTAM simulation for that? Probably. But I am just going by my instinct here.

Given the right conditions, there may be days here in our Atlanta climate when the garage will be colder, especially in the first half of the day, and may in fact be below exterior dew point. Those days would be to watch our for.

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By: Albert Donnay https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31992 Thu, 06 Oct 2022 12:32:09 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31992 As a toxicologist and environmental health engineer who specializes in CO poisoning, I am glad to see IAQ experts writing about the problem of ventilating attached garages. I agree we could wait a long time for the IRC to address this source of CO poisoning (which ASHRAE 62.2 also ignores)

But the Intl Mechanical Code has a solution for CO buildup in section 403.3. This requires 100 cfm of continuous (exhaust) ventilation per bay in residential attached garages.

In my 20 years experience testing garages, the IMC spec is good enough to a) lower pressure in garage relative to attached house and b) remove all toxic air pollutants from the garage to outdoors so they never reach dangerous levels in garage or home even if a vehicle is left idling. Most garage doors are so leaky there is no need to provide any air intakes. (Controllers that only run exhaust fans for up to 2 hours after garage door opens are not sufficient to prevent deaths from CO if the source is an idling vehicle. Engine may be started by child pressing key fob in kitchen without anyone ever opening garage door. )

I recommend installing bathroom fans with low sone ratings for this application as they can’t be heard from adjacent rooms. They cost under $200 retail and less than $25/year to run. The greater expenses are installing them through an exterior wall and running wiring to code.

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By: Bob https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31976 Wed, 05 Oct 2022 05:46:20 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31976 A side benefit of electric vehicles that I have not heard mentioned, is that they will improve the air quality of homes with attached garages.

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By: Steve Rivers https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31889 Fri, 23 Sep 2022 18:28:28 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31889 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Allison…THANK YOU for the quick reply…I appreciate your advice and thoughts. I could have never imagined any odor lasting so long. The wall is marginally better after a year but still has some odor. I even tried a Hydroxyl generator last summer. I did look into an exhaust fan, but have to break a hole in the brick wall on one of the garage side walls. But it’s on the list of options as I know air exchange is one of the best things you can do. In the summary my garage is so humid you can feel the water on the wall. I need to also look into a dehumidified. I think I’ll give it a few more months while trying to improve circulation, as sounds like you agree with my concerns that adding a membrane may result in other issues. I did enjoy your article on preventing my garage from making me sick…it’s been my life the past year!

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31888 Fri, 23 Sep 2022 12:31:47 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31888 In reply to Steve Rivers.

Steve: I can’t imagine that the drywall is going to keep offgassing for a long time since that’s a secondary source. Rather than try to use membranes or coatings on the drywall, I’d recommend installing an exhaust fan in the garage. Run it continuously as long as necessary and then put it on a controller like the GarageVent, which I wrote about here:

Another Way to Prevent Your Garage from Making You Sick

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By: Steve Rivers https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31886 Fri, 23 Sep 2022 00:32:13 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31886 Allison…I’m been studying up on air quality and came across your site and blogs…great info..tks!

I got sort of a attached garage / air barrier issue maybe you can provide some advice on if you have a min. Last year I had a polyaspartic (epoxy like) floor applied, but the contractor mixed the chemicals wrong which resulted in a horrendous odor that would not dissipate, even with the garage door open constantly for one month with fans. Also leaked into my house. Another contractor mechanically grinded the floor off, and re applied. Floor is good now, but the painted drywall absorbed the original odor and no matter how much I air out (over a year) or paint over, still have the odor.

My question…I found some sealers that I can apply to the walls which create a membrane to seal in odors, sort of like shellac, but more chemically sensitive. But concerned if I apply this over the drywall and ceiling I’ll in effect create an air / vapor barrier between the garage (no heat or no ac) and house (back wall and ceiling) and side exterior walls, which may cause moisture / mold issues in the walls.

Not sure if this in effect would be similar to an air barrier, but any thoughts / suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I live in New York.

THANKS!!!

Steve

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/a-continuous-air-barrier-between-garage-and-house/#comment-31883 Wed, 21 Sep 2022 19:05:39 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=7758#comment-31883 In reply to Alexander G Riccio.

Alexander: Yeah, you could do both, but in addition to cost, it adds complexity.

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