Comments on: 7 Stupid Things You Can Do With Air https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:03:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Aaron Woods https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-35733 Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:03:35 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-35733 An honourable mention might be installing high velocity ‘slot’ type supply air diffusers without 10′ of a range hood. It efficiently reduces hood performance to zero.

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By: Melbourne Presswood https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-35155 Thu, 26 Oct 2023 20:23:38 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-35155 In reply to David J Small.

Crawl space is a great spot to get radon gas!

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-35087 Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:56:57 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-35087 I am not sure if I want to admit it, but I used to vent my electric dryer to the indoors during the winter when I lived in upstate New York. We had a large laundry room on the second floor and would leave the door open to be sure that we distributed the humidity throughout the house. We used the same bucket termination that you show in the photo above. You did not mention that you are supposed to put water in the bucket to help catch the lint. After 5 winters in NY, we never felt that we had any lint problems in the house. This arrangement probably helped to keep the outdoor venting cleaner since it was only used during the summer and should months. The pressure drop through the bucket “filter” is probably lower than through the external venting arrangement.
But don’t even think about doing this with a gas dryer!

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-35086 Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:32:16 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-35086 In reply to RoyC.

RoyC: Thanks for setting us straight. You’re the best thermodynamicist I know! Of course the heat flows equal out over a long enough time scale so my first calculation was correct. The heat moved out through the condensing coil equals the heat that moved into the fridge over time, as you stated.

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By: RoyC https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-35068 Mon, 23 Oct 2023 17:57:13 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-35068 In reply to Victor Hyman.

We seem to be having some misunderstanding about refrigerator thermodynamics. It is true that the heat rejected by the condenser is greater than the electrical input. However, there is also heat being conducted from the room to the inside of the refrigerator and this helps cool the house. Conservation of energy tells us that over a long period of time, the energy entering the refrigerator (electrical and heat conduction from the space) equals the energy leaving the refrigerator (from the condenser). Thus, the net heat load on the room is just the electrical consumption. This ignores some other additional loads like putting hot food in the refrigerator and removing ice from it, but those are usually relatively small.
In terms of putting the condenser outside, this would help decrease electrical consumption in the winter, but increase electrical consumption in the summer. The net impact on overall home energy consumption would depend on the space heating/cooling system characteristics. The refrigerator with an external condenser would also be a much more expensive piece of equipment due to the additional complexity needed to operate over a much wider range of external conditions.

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By: Steve Antonini https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-35022 Sat, 21 Oct 2023 09:27:14 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-35022 Another reason to exclude the attached garage from a ducted system is that when the air handler is off each register becomes an opening for infiltration. On a cold night or hot afternoon contaminants now have a hole and a pressure difference for air movement thanks to the stack effect.

And about venting that damn refrigerator, is it ever worth it after considering the temperature and humidity of the makeup air?

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By: Paul Szymkiewicz https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-34983 Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:12:09 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-34983 Allison, I need a little bit of encouragement. I used to be like you, endlessly optimistic, which is a great state of mind to have. Lately, I’ve been tempted by the dark side over and over again to give up trying to convince people about the merits of BS (for those tempted to laugh: building science, although the other BS may have its own merits).

When well educated, respected members of the community admit on social media that, for example, having a supply register in the garage is nothing to worry about, absolutely nothing, well, then I just give up. Explaining BS then becomes like the story of Sisyphus in the Greek mythology: endless.

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By: Victor Hyman https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-34963 Thu, 19 Oct 2023 16:52:06 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-34963 In reply to Allison Bailes.

Allison, wouldn’t that 600 kWh/yr represent just the energy to run the compressor, fan and lights and not the energy being moved from the food (and water, if there is an ice maker) to the conditioned space? While it isn’t going to make it a huge load, with a COP of 4, the fridge would be adding more like 1000 BTU/hr to the load of the house.

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By: Robert Adams https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-34923 Wed, 18 Oct 2023 00:12:50 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-34923 In reply to Allison Bailes.

You are forgetting that a refrigerator is a heat pump and has a COP of more than 1. It is pulling heat out of the refrigerator and dumping it into the room. the heat from the house is working it’s way into the fridge but the fridge is working harder to pull it out faster than it comes in. And in climates like ours here in Crematoria (TX) fridges work harder and run longer in the summer because most houses are not kept at 72*. Any heat you can get out of the house is a benefit.

That said what is far worse is the better halfs computer rig. Her office is hot year round as the PC and monitors etc are like running space heaters in there. I have yet to design an outdoor cooling box to put her tower in or find a way to put it down in the crawlspace. When I move her office to a larger room it will probably get a minisplit. And lets not talk about is the door open as no it isn’t and no it can’t be.

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By: Allison Bailes https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/stupid-things-to-do-with-air/#comment-34921 Tue, 17 Oct 2023 23:55:29 +0000 https://www.energyvanguard.com/?p=8627#comment-34921 In reply to Ross Kupiec.

Ross: Definitely not worth it if you’re using the same system serving the house. We’ve done plenty of HVAC designs with conditioned garages but always with a ductless unit.

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