Comments on: What Happens to Air Flow in Ducts When Size Changes? https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/ Building science knowledge, HVAC design, & fun Tue, 17 Nov 2020 18:06:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Mike https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-13566 Tue, 17 Nov 2020 18:06:42 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-13566 Two adjacent shops with
Two adjacent shops with separating wall. Left is 24 x 30 with 8640 cf including open ceiling. Other is 10 x 30 with 2250 cf including ceiling. Smaller room has 3000 cfm exhaust fan at back wall. Question: If I install a opening at the back of the larger room, in the connecting wall, and within 4 ft of that exhaust fan, will that 3000 cfm rated fan clear any fumes from the larger room? What size wall opening would be sufficient? This is an attempt to save not adding another exhaust fan and hole to the outside. I do know that exhaust fan is capable of handling twice the volume I have stated….thanks…mike

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By: Christoph https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-13235 Mon, 06 Jul 2020 15:50:58 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-13235 I’m glad I found your blog
I’m glad I found your blog because it seems to provide the knowledge I need to solve this little puzzle I have when designing a window outlet for my mobile a/c. But as I read through some of the posts, I also realize that there are many more variables to consider than I originally thought of so that I suspect: even if I managed to learn everything you explain here, I may still not be able to base my design on it because I would have to make a number of assumptions to reach a sufficient level of simplicity and making those assumptions wold require further knowledge. So, I decided to post a comment here and ask you for some pointers that might allow me to focus on the most relevant variables.

So here is the puzzle:

I have one of those mobile a/c units that come with one exhaust duct that you’re supposed to hang out the window or so. For reasons that I don’t need to explain to you, I modified the unit so that I now have two ducts hanging out the window: one sucking in outside air and one blowing it out again about 20 degrees C warmer. So far so good.

I have now designed and 3D-printed a fitting that allows me to close the window to such an extent that almost no outside air comes into the room. The basic principle is to transform the round cross section of the duct into a slim rectangular one while maintaining the area of the cross-section because my intuition told me that reducing the duct size will make my a/c less efficient (and ultimately perhaps even damage it).

So the basic puzzle is this: in order to close the window as far as possible, I need to minimize the size of the rectangular end of the fitting while not making it too small and the question is: how small can I make it?

From the above blog post, I now understand that what I’m trying to do is minimize the pressure drop of my exhaust fitting.

The first version of my design is based on the following reasoning: Although the outside diameter of the duct is 150 mm, the inside is only about 135 mm because of its accordion-type design. So the area of the cross-section is 143 cm2. The with of the rectangular end can be max 36 cm long so that it needs to be about 4 cm high in order to maintain the same area.

I have obviously ignored that the walls of the accordion duct have quite some resistance while the walls of my 3D-printed part are nice and smooth. So there might be some room for further reducing the height of the rectangle, but if I start considering turbulence, I would also have to consider that my exhaust forces the air to change direction at a 90 degrees angle and I have no idea how that weighs against the resistance of the accordion walls. Probably the walls are a lot worse.

But here’s the thing: even if I were able to calculate (or measure) the exact pressure drop of my fitting, what does it mean? I’m starting to suspect that my consumer grade mobile a/c doesn’t really care about the extra pressure drop of my exhaust, given that the designers didn’t consider the accordion walls a problem. But even if it tolerates a lot, it will definitely become less efficient, so I’m nonetheless curious to try and optimize my design. So what’s most important and ho do I know whether I can reduce the size of the exhaust?

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By: Steve Roger https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-13199 Thu, 25 Jun 2020 04:07:26 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-13199 Hi,I have an issue with my
Hi,I have an issue with my airflow in my master bedroom only (other rooms are fine) where I have two registers, I can not tell if it’s a too much cold air flow or if it’s too fast air flow that is making my room uncomfortable( too cold too fast) while Maintaining a good balance with the other rooms in the summer time and waking up sick every morning, Any suggestions please? thank you in advance

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By: SAM MCMILLAN https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-13075 Tue, 12 May 2020 21:57:52 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-13075 I THINK IF I RUN A 4″ ROUND
I THINK IF I RUN A 4″ ROUND PIPE ACROSS A 12 INCH DUCT, THROUGH THE CENTER IT WILL HAVE LITTLE EFFECT ON AIR FLOW. IT IS A 12 X 20 DUCT AND WOULD PASS THROUGH THE DUCT IN THE CENTER. NO TAKE OFFS ARE WITHIN 5′ OF WHERE THE 4″ GOES THROUGH

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By: Glenn Gibson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-13058 Fri, 01 May 2020 20:54:07 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-13058 No mention of compression
No mention of compression creating heating, in a duct. Clean compressed air, leaving a nozzle, appears not to heat up the nozzle. Duct air is not clean, wouldn’t there be heat created by the particles?

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By: Eugene https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-12999 Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:59:31 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-12999 Hi! Is the flow rate has a
Hi! Is the flow rate has a maximum capacity limit of air volume (cfm) it can get based on the duct size or take off ductwork?

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By: roy hogan https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-12839 Fri, 20 Mar 2020 01:38:18 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-12839 Hi, in a short length of duct
Hi, in a short length of duct (20 meter) with 5 supply outlets for cooling air. should the outlets be sized smaller ( smaller at the plenum end) to bigger to improve and make more efficient the air flow?

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By: jay jones https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-12792 Sun, 16 Feb 2020 03:33:25 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-12792 difficult material
difficult material tocomprehend

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By: William H Nickerson https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-12347 Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:29:04 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-12347 In reply to abailes.

Another great article Allison
Another great article Allison. I am looking for input on supply grill pressure drop.
Years ago wood/metal grill multipliers were topical but manufacturers didn’t pick up on this.
A good looking, free flowing wall decoration shouldn’t require a translator….

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By: Jacques SUIRE https://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/what-happens-air-flow-ducts-when-size-changes/#comment-12330 Sun, 23 Jun 2019 20:00:18 +0000 http://energyvanguard.flywheelsites.com/?blog_post=what-happens-to-air-flow-in-ducts-when-size-changes#comment-12330 Good day from France.
Good day from France.

Just one question :

I have two duct going to the same cooler. One is 3 inches diameter, the other one 2 inches diameter.
Air speed is the same on both inlet, so same pressure.
What happen to the speed and pressure inside both duct and does one duct take over the other one and can return some air and/or pressure in the other one if some conter pressure is done by the cooler?

Thanks for your help!

Jacques

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